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TWChamp
12-19-2017, 07:38 PM
I bought this pump at least 3 years ago off ebay, but don't recall if it was for a 1950 Champion, or a 1950 Commander. All my Commanders are hundreds of miles away, so I was wondering if someone could ID this pump?

BTW, I don't see a 1950 Commander pump in the SI catalog, which seems strange.
Also I see this pump has the shallow glass, but others have a deeper glass. Anyone know what's up with that? Thanks, Tom

69161 69162

unclemiltie
12-19-2017, 08:50 PM
There should be a number on the edge where it bolts to the block. That number should I’d it. Even the commander pumps varied where th gas line attached. I have a pump catalog with the numbers in it

TWChamp
12-20-2017, 12:09 AM
I know what you mean by the number on the mounting flange, and that's the strange part. This is an all new made in USA pump, and it has no numbers on the pump, but I have to assume it's in it's original box, which is numbered 9218.
The box also says "As Advertised in the Saturday Evening Post", so you can bet it could be from the 50's or 60's at the latest, and the diaphram isn't compatible with today's crap gas.

unclemiltie
12-20-2017, 07:08 AM
9218 is a Champion pump

jclary
12-20-2017, 07:53 AM
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm thinking this is a rebuilt fuel pump. It might be a very old "period" rebuild, but the actuator arm pivot pin appears to be one where the pin extends through the body of the pump, held in place by a crimped "C" or "E" clip. Most of these are unsealed and guaranteed oil "leakers."

Years ago, I sold tooling to a large automotive component "rebuilder" including water pumps, fuel pumps, alternators, generators, etc. I'm not surprised that there is no part number visible. If you have ever been in one of these facilities and witnessed the parts cleaning processes, abrasive vibrators, wire brushings, and other aggressive cleaning processes, you would understand how raised cast numbers and shallow stampings disappear.

I'll not speculate on the exact application, but the pump will probably work. Unless that pivot pin is sealed, it will also leak oil.

TWChamp
12-20-2017, 10:34 AM
9218 is a Champion pump

Just my luck, because I want to take a spare fuel pump with me when I pick up my 50 Land Cruiser in the spring.

John, this definitely is a brand new pump, and not a rebuilt, but as I said, it most likely was made in the 50's or 60's and can't stand up to the crap gas of today.

bob40
12-20-2017, 03:15 PM
I sell quite a few NOS or fuel pumps that were rebuilt in the 60's/70's for a variety of vehicles.
Every ad I place tells potential buyers they will need to be rebuilt again to modern standards.
Have not had a return or complaint yet so the warning must be working and the buyers are freshening them up.

r1lark
12-20-2017, 04:28 PM
Years ago, I sold tooling to a large automotive component "rebuilder" including water pumps, fuel pumps, alternators, generators, etc. I'm not surprised that there is no part number visible. If you have ever been in one of these facilities and witnessed the parts cleaning processes, abrasive vibrators, wire brushings, and other aggressive cleaning processes, you would understand how raised cast numbers and shallow stampings disappear.


John, by any chance was this Hastings in King, NC?

mbstude
12-20-2017, 04:51 PM
I wouldn't trust an NOS fuel pump, regardless of the type of fuel used. A 60 year old rubber diaphragm just isn't going to last very long.

NOS pumps do make fantastic cores to put a fresh kit in, though.

jclary
12-20-2017, 05:28 PM
John, by any chance was this Hastings in King, NC?

No, it was Arrow, in Spartanburg S.C. As many industries in the 1980's & '90's struggled to comply with government regulations, wage pressures, rising costs, etc., they lost out to cheap offshore competition.

Last I remember, the dilapidated old manufacturing plant housed a "charity contract job facility for disabled workers," warehousing, and a portion used for a weekend flea market. A sad end for a once thriving industry.

jts359
12-21-2017, 08:22 AM
I wouldn't bash nos or old rebuilt fuel pumps , I know some have failed due to todays fuels , But I have a friend who has a 57 Golden Hawk which still has the original pump , My 64 Daytona has a nos pump installed in 1988 and My wife's Champ truck has an nos pump put in 2 years ago and It has made trips to Rhode Island and So Bend , Ed