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studemaker
01-25-2008, 08:40 PM
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/59DeluxeScotsmanProductionOrder.jpg http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/Deluxe%20Scotsman/100_0411.jpg Howdy All, After much anticipation, a computer glitch at the Studebaker National Museum, and then waiting for the reorder, I received my production order on the '59 4E3-112 today. It is indeed a one of one known, 4E3-112 Deluxe Scotsman! :D:D:D The production order also contained some other surprises, It, like my '59 4E7, was ordered, shipped, an has spent it's entire life here in Big Sky Country. It truly is an unusual little truck, a Scotsman ordered with a Deluxe Grill package, a light duty shortbox half ton ordered with heavy duty springs front and rear, and a 4.09 Twin Traction axle, but with a 3 speed overdrive transmission? Very unusual combination.....I have a question about the order that someone may be able to answer. As you can see in the destination box after Miles City, Montana it has Z/W 9-35. Can anyone tell me what this stands for? Thanks, Tim

<div align="left">Tim Stevens Big Sky Country, Montana '59 4E7-122 Deluxe '59 4E3-112 Deluxe Scotsman '59 Silver Hawk '57 Parkview Wagon '41 Double Dater Coupe</div id="left"> http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/Mergatroid/Mergatroid.jpg

StudeRich
01-25-2008, 08:58 PM
Jeeze Tim that IS rare! It would have been a whole lot simpler to order a 4E6 Studebaker Truck with a Commander 245 engine, instead of a 4E3 Scotsman with a Deluxe kit, that is weird!

About the only way you could tell it from a Studebaker, would be the missing door visors and probably it has the Scotsman dash.

The wiper booster box says: "YES", is that a dual fuel pump or a auxiliary electric vacuum pump?

What I noticed is that it was built as a 4E 1959 model on Oct. 1959, after the car line was already building 1960 cars, but the truck line never had to shut down for the year model changeover, because swapping a few nameplates around did not require much re-tooling! [:0][:0]:D

StudeRich -Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
01-25-2008, 08:58 PM
Jeeze Tim that IS rare! It would have been a whole lot simpler to order a 4E6 Studebaker Truck with a Commander 245 engine, instead of a 4E3 Scotsman with a Deluxe kit, that is weird!

About the only way you could tell it from a Studebaker, would be the missing door visors and probably it has the Scotsman dash.

The wiper booster box says: "YES", is that a dual fuel pump or a auxiliary electric vacuum pump?

What I noticed is that it was built as a 4E 1959 model on Oct. 1959, after the car line was already building 1960 cars, but the truck line never had to shut down for the year model changeover, because swapping a few nameplates around did not require much re-tooling! [:0][:0]:D

StudeRich -Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA

8E45E
01-25-2008, 09:00 PM
quote:Originally posted by studemaker
Howdy All, After much anticipation, a computer glitch at the Studebaker National Museum, and then waiting for the reorder, I received my production order on the '59 4E3-112 today. It is indeed a one of one known, 4E3-112 Deluxe Scotsman! :D:D:D The production order also contained some other surprises, It, like my '59 4E7, was ordered, shipped, an has spent it's entire life here in Big Sky Country. It truly is an unusual little truck, a Scotsman ordered with a Deluxe Grill package, a light duty shortbox half ton ordered with heavy duty springs front and rear, and a 4.09 Twin Traction axle, but with a 3 speed overdrive transmission? Very unusual combination.....I have a question about the order that someone may be able to answer. As you can see in the destination box after Miles City, Montana it has Z/W 9-35. Can anyone tell me what this stands for? Thanks, Tim

<div align="left">Tim Stevens Big Sky Country, Montana '59 4E7-122 Deluxe '59 4E3-112 Deluxe Scotsman '59 Silver Hawk '57 Parkview Wagon '41 Double Dater Coupe</div id="left"> http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/Mergatroid/Mergatroid.jpg


Indeed! The production order is usually the BEST argument settler there is!![^]

Great to see a rare truck like that survive!:D

Craig

8E45E
01-25-2008, 09:00 PM
quote:Originally posted by studemaker
Howdy All, After much anticipation, a computer glitch at the Studebaker National Museum, and then waiting for the reorder, I received my production order on the '59 4E3-112 today. It is indeed a one of one known, 4E3-112 Deluxe Scotsman! :D:D:D The production order also contained some other surprises, It, like my '59 4E7, was ordered, shipped, an has spent it's entire life here in Big Sky Country. It truly is an unusual little truck, a Scotsman ordered with a Deluxe Grill package, a light duty shortbox half ton ordered with heavy duty springs front and rear, and a 4.09 Twin Traction axle, but with a 3 speed overdrive transmission? Very unusual combination.....I have a question about the order that someone may be able to answer. As you can see in the destination box after Miles City, Montana it has Z/W 9-35. Can anyone tell me what this stands for? Thanks, Tim

<div align="left">Tim Stevens Big Sky Country, Montana '59 4E7-122 Deluxe '59 4E3-112 Deluxe Scotsman '59 Silver Hawk '57 Parkview Wagon '41 Double Dater Coupe</div id="left"> http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/Mergatroid/Mergatroid.jpg


Indeed! The production order is usually the BEST argument settler there is!![^]

Great to see a rare truck like that survive!:D

Craig

Mark57
01-25-2008, 09:34 PM
The lack of chrome trim on the doors also points to Scotsman, as all '59 Deluxe's whether two tone paint or solid colour had the chrome strip. Nice looking unit, Tim![8D]

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/57Transtar1.jpg

Mark57
01-25-2008, 09:34 PM
The lack of chrome trim on the doors also points to Scotsman, as all '59 Deluxe's whether two tone paint or solid colour had the chrome strip. Nice looking unit, Tim![8D]

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/57Transtar1.jpg

studemaker
01-25-2008, 09:34 PM
Rich, The original engine was pulled in what I am guessing around 1967. This compession test was penciled on the inner fender. http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/Deluxe%20Scotsman%20Rebuild/100_0476.jpg It was replaced with a 170 OHV6. I was stumped by the WS/Wiper booster box being checked, as it looks like the electric wipers are original. http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/Deluxe%20Scotsman/100_0437.jpg

<div align="left">Tim Stevens Big Sky Country, Montana '59 4E7-122 Deluxe '59 4E3-112 Deluxe Scotsman '59 Silver Hawk '57 Parkview Wagon '41 Double Dater Coupe</div id="left"> http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/Mergatroid/Mergatroid.jpg

studemaker
01-25-2008, 09:34 PM
Rich, The original engine was pulled in what I am guessing around 1967. This compession test was penciled on the inner fender. http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/Deluxe%20Scotsman%20Rebuild/100_0476.jpg It was replaced with a 170 OHV6. I was stumped by the WS/Wiper booster box being checked, as it looks like the electric wipers are original. http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/Deluxe%20Scotsman/100_0437.jpg

<div align="left">Tim Stevens Big Sky Country, Montana '59 4E7-122 Deluxe '59 4E3-112 Deluxe Scotsman '59 Silver Hawk '57 Parkview Wagon '41 Double Dater Coupe</div id="left"> http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/Mergatroid/Mergatroid.jpg

studemaker
01-25-2008, 09:45 PM
Thanks Mark! Its been an adventure figuring out what it really was.... Scotsman or Deluxe. Funny thing.... It turned out to be both!

<div align="left">Tim Stevens Big Sky Country, Montana '59 4E7-122 Deluxe '59 4E3-112 Deluxe Scotsman '59 Silver Hawk '57 Parkview Wagon '41 Double Dater Coupe</div id="left"> http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/Mergatroid/Mergatroid.jpg

studemaker
01-25-2008, 09:45 PM
Thanks Mark! Its been an adventure figuring out what it really was.... Scotsman or Deluxe. Funny thing.... It turned out to be both!

<div align="left">Tim Stevens Big Sky Country, Montana '59 4E7-122 Deluxe '59 4E3-112 Deluxe Scotsman '59 Silver Hawk '57 Parkview Wagon '41 Double Dater Coupe</div id="left"> http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/Mergatroid/Mergatroid.jpg

Mark57
01-25-2008, 10:31 PM
Probably the only one with an OHV 6!!:D I assume you'll have her lookin' like your other '59 in no time.;)

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/57Transtar1.jpg

Mark57
01-25-2008, 10:31 PM
Probably the only one with an OHV 6!!:D I assume you'll have her lookin' like your other '59 in no time.;)

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/57Transtar1.jpg

laughinlark
01-25-2008, 10:47 PM
Cool find Tim. Have a lot of fun with this truck. It has that solid start look to it.:D Don't forget pics for us.;)

Gordon

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t60/laughinlark/gordsjsmk-1.jpghttp://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t60/laughinlark/11-28-07130-1.jpghttp://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t60/laughinlark/all283.jpg

laughinlark
01-25-2008, 10:47 PM
Cool find Tim. Have a lot of fun with this truck. It has that solid start look to it.:D Don't forget pics for us.;)

Gordon

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t60/laughinlark/gordsjsmk-1.jpghttp://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t60/laughinlark/11-28-07130-1.jpghttp://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t60/laughinlark/all283.jpg

Roscomacaw
01-26-2008, 01:15 PM
WOW! Cool to have one that's a one-off![:p]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
01-26-2008, 01:15 PM
WOW! Cool to have one that's a one-off![:p]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

studemaker
01-26-2008, 04:14 PM
Howdy All, I just wanted to let everyone know, there may be more Deluxe Scotsmans out there waiting to be found.[:p]The Deluxe package for the Scotsman, was a somewhat obscure option offered late in '59. This, along with the added cost to a low priced pickup, and also the introduction of the Champ, are part of the reasons for the very low production numbers. Just for clarification, and not to seem misleading, there are 5 known Deluxe Scotsmans on record in the Scotman Truck Registry. It looks that most of the known 5 were ordered as 4E1's. There are two known 4E3's, my 4E3-112 and one 4E3-122 whose fate is unknown. It was spotted back in the 80's by Frank Drumheller. Making the one I have, a one of one known 4E3-112. So keep on the lookout for those '59 Scotsman pickups without the door trim or visors, but with an original Doehler fiberglass grill. There still out there waiting to be found! :D

<div align="left">Tim Stevens Big Sky Country, Montana '59 4E7-122 Deluxe '59 4E3-112 Deluxe Scotsman '59 Silver Hawk '57 Parkview Wagon '41 Double Dater Coupe</div id="left"> http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/Mergatroid/Mergatroid.jpg

studemaker
01-26-2008, 04:14 PM
Howdy All, I just wanted to let everyone know, there may be more Deluxe Scotsmans out there waiting to be found.[:p]The Deluxe package for the Scotsman, was a somewhat obscure option offered late in '59. This, along with the added cost to a low priced pickup, and also the introduction of the Champ, are part of the reasons for the very low production numbers. Just for clarification, and not to seem misleading, there are 5 known Deluxe Scotsmans on record in the Scotman Truck Registry. It looks that most of the known 5 were ordered as 4E1's. There are two known 4E3's, my 4E3-112 and one 4E3-122 whose fate is unknown. It was spotted back in the 80's by Frank Drumheller. Making the one I have, a one of one known 4E3-112. So keep on the lookout for those '59 Scotsman pickups without the door trim or visors, but with an original Doehler fiberglass grill. There still out there waiting to be found! :D

<div align="left">Tim Stevens Big Sky Country, Montana '59 4E7-122 Deluxe '59 4E3-112 Deluxe Scotsman '59 Silver Hawk '57 Parkview Wagon '41 Double Dater Coupe</div id="left"> http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/Mergatroid/Mergatroid.jpg

mbstude
01-26-2008, 04:18 PM
Like I've stated on the truck forum, I think my granddad's old blue 4E1-112 might be a Deluxe Scotsman, but I guess I'll have to get the build sheet to know for sure. [:I] It has everything that makes yours a Deluxe, but somewhere along the line it got a '56 grille installed. I had always assumed it was a regular Scotsman with a '56 hood and grille, until yours came along. So, who knows! :)

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/avatar-7.jpg

mbstude
01-26-2008, 04:18 PM
Like I've stated on the truck forum, I think my granddad's old blue 4E1-112 might be a Deluxe Scotsman, but I guess I'll have to get the build sheet to know for sure. [:I] It has everything that makes yours a Deluxe, but somewhere along the line it got a '56 grille installed. I had always assumed it was a regular Scotsman with a '56 hood and grille, until yours came along. So, who knows! :)

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/avatar-7.jpg

studegary
01-26-2008, 05:04 PM
My next to last Studebaker pickup was a 1959 Scotsman with the Deluxe option package. The truck still exists in this area.
I recall seeing a picture of a lot in South Bend with many new 1959 Scotsman pickups with the Deluxe package. I think that a lot of them were built near the end of the model year. Since they were so late in the model year, many thought that they were 1960 pickups at that time. In September 1959, dealers were picking up 1959 pickups along with their 1960 cars for driveaway delivery.
The Deluxe option package came out in May 1959 and cost $37.66.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

studegary
01-26-2008, 05:04 PM
My next to last Studebaker pickup was a 1959 Scotsman with the Deluxe option package. The truck still exists in this area.
I recall seeing a picture of a lot in South Bend with many new 1959 Scotsman pickups with the Deluxe package. I think that a lot of them were built near the end of the model year. Since they were so late in the model year, many thought that they were 1960 pickups at that time. In September 1959, dealers were picking up 1959 pickups along with their 1960 cars for driveaway delivery.
The Deluxe option package came out in May 1959 and cost $37.66.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

studemaker
01-26-2008, 05:11 PM
Howdy Matthew, I would send for the production order on it, it may prove to be worth the effort, and another will be discovered! [8D] Tim

<div align="left">Tim Stevens Big Sky Country, Montana '59 4E7-122 Deluxe '59 4E3-112 Deluxe Scotsman '59 Silver Hawk '57 Parkview Wagon '41 Double Dater Coupe</div id="left"> http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/Mergatroid/Mergatroid.jpg

studemaker
01-26-2008, 05:11 PM
Howdy Matthew, I would send for the production order on it, it may prove to be worth the effort, and another will be discovered! [8D] Tim

<div align="left">Tim Stevens Big Sky Country, Montana '59 4E7-122 Deluxe '59 4E3-112 Deluxe Scotsman '59 Silver Hawk '57 Parkview Wagon '41 Double Dater Coupe</div id="left"> http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/Mergatroid/Mergatroid.jpg

studemaker
01-26-2008, 05:27 PM
Howdy Gary, do you still have any photos of your Deluxe Scotsman, or know where I could find a copy of that photo of the South Bend lot? I am collecting any photos, literature, or information of any kind I can on these. Any help you could provide would be much appreciated! Thanks Tim

<div align="left">Tim Stevens Big Sky Country, Montana '59 4E7-122 Deluxe '59 4E3-112 Deluxe Scotsman '59 Silver Hawk '57 Parkview Wagon '41 Double Dater Coupe</div id="left"> http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/Mergatroid/Mergatroid.jpg

studemaker
01-26-2008, 05:27 PM
Howdy Gary, do you still have any photos of your Deluxe Scotsman, or know where I could find a copy of that photo of the South Bend lot? I am collecting any photos, literature, or information of any kind I can on these. Any help you could provide would be much appreciated! Thanks Tim

<div align="left">Tim Stevens Big Sky Country, Montana '59 4E7-122 Deluxe '59 4E3-112 Deluxe Scotsman '59 Silver Hawk '57 Parkview Wagon '41 Double Dater Coupe</div id="left"> http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/Mergatroid/Mergatroid.jpg

BobPalma
01-26-2008, 09:03 PM
:) Good score on a rare piece still in one piece, Tim. [:p]
Congrats on a cute truck that looks like it deserves a good Studebaker home after saving itself all these years. :D BP

BobPalma
01-26-2008, 09:03 PM
:) Good score on a rare piece still in one piece, Tim. [:p]
Congrats on a cute truck that looks like it deserves a good Studebaker home after saving itself all these years. :D BP

Jeffrotech
02-23-2008, 02:40 PM
quote:Originally posted by studemaker

...There are two known 4E3's, my 4E3-112 and one 4E3-122 whose fate is unknown....


O.k. - so maybe I've got the one 4E3-122!!!:D
Just got her a couple weeks ago, and I'm trying figure a few things out. No door trim or visors, but the fiberglass deluxe front. What do you think?!?!
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b8dc02b3127cceb66ed122dcc300000026108AauWTdo5Zue

Jeffrotech
02-23-2008, 02:40 PM
quote:Originally posted by studemaker

...There are two known 4E3's, my 4E3-112 and one 4E3-122 whose fate is unknown....


O.k. - so maybe I've got the one 4E3-122!!!:D
Just got her a couple weeks ago, and I'm trying figure a few things out. No door trim or visors, but the fiberglass deluxe front. What do you think?!?!
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b8dc02b3127cceb66ed122dcc300000026108AauWTdo5Zue

Mark57
02-23-2008, 03:47 PM
quote:Originally posted by Jeffrotech


quote:Originally posted by studemaker

...There are two known 4E3's, my 4E3-112 and one 4E3-122 whose fate is unknown....


O.k. - so maybe I've got the one 4E3-122!!!:D
Just got her a couple weeks ago, and I'm trying figure a few things out. No door trim or visors, but the fiberglass deluxe front. What do you think?!?!
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b8dc02b3127cceb66ed122dcc300000026108AauWTdo5Zue


Hmm... what's the serial plate #? Do you have the Production Order? A nice looking truck! [:p] [8D]

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/IMG_0028a.jpg

Mark57
02-23-2008, 03:47 PM
quote:Originally posted by Jeffrotech


quote:Originally posted by studemaker

...There are two known 4E3's, my 4E3-112 and one 4E3-122 whose fate is unknown....


O.k. - so maybe I've got the one 4E3-122!!!:D
Just got her a couple weeks ago, and I'm trying figure a few things out. No door trim or visors, but the fiberglass deluxe front. What do you think?!?!
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b8dc02b3127cceb66ed122dcc300000026108AauWTdo5Zue


Hmm... what's the serial plate #? Do you have the Production Order? A nice looking truck! [:p] [8D]

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/IMG_0028a.jpg

Jeffrotech
02-23-2008, 04:44 PM
quote:Hmm... what's the serial plate #? Do you have the Production Order? A nice looking truck! [:p] [8D][/size=3][/black]


Serial: E3-889
No Production Order (yet)... gotta order it.
Thanks!:)

Jeffrotech
02-23-2008, 04:44 PM
quote:Hmm... what's the serial plate #? Do you have the Production Order? A nice looking truck! [:p] [8D][/size=3][/black]


Serial: E3-889
No Production Order (yet)... gotta order it.
Thanks!:)

Mark57
02-23-2008, 05:23 PM
With that serial # and that grill (as well as a few other details you have mentioned and are apparent in the photo), I would say that you've got a "Deluxe" Scotsman. [8D]

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/IMG_0028a.jpg

Mark57
02-23-2008, 05:23 PM
With that serial # and that grill (as well as a few other details you have mentioned and are apparent in the photo), I would say that you've got a "Deluxe" Scotsman. [8D]

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/IMG_0028a.jpg

studemaker
02-23-2008, 07:41 PM
Howdy, Good score on the truck! And in the color I wish mine were! Wanna trade.....;) Is this the one with the Canadian 259? As has been stated, the best way to prove it to be a Deluxe Scotsman is to send for the production order from the Studebaker National Museum. Like my own Deluxe Scotsman, I was uncertain about its authenticity until I recieved the production order. Just for the reason that, it would be so easy to have had someone change out the hood, grill, and bumper over the last 50 years. The serial number on your truck is a fairly high number, so it looks to be late enough in the model year for the Deluxe Grill Package offering. I believe that the 4E3-122 that Frank Drumheller had seen back in 1988 was serial number E3-917, making yours if proven, the second 4E3-122 known. If the production order does indeed show it to be authentic, it still may be the only surviving 4E3-122. Because as Frank has stated, the one that he spotted back in 1988 was in disrepair at the time, and its fate is unknown. Best wishes for its authentication, and be sure to let us know when you get its production report. You may want to also post your new find on the Studebaker Truck Talk Forum. The Studebaker Truck Farmers that frequent there, would be very interested in your find also! Tim

<div align="left">Tim Stevens Big Sky Country, Montana '59 4E7-122 Deluxe '59 4E3-112 Deluxe Scotsman '59 Silver Hawk '57 Parkview Wagon '41 Double Dater Coupe</div id="left"> http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/Mergatroid/Mergatroid.jpg

studemaker
02-23-2008, 07:41 PM
Howdy, Good score on the truck! And in the color I wish mine were! Wanna trade.....;) Is this the one with the Canadian 259? As has been stated, the best way to prove it to be a Deluxe Scotsman is to send for the production order from the Studebaker National Museum. Like my own Deluxe Scotsman, I was uncertain about its authenticity until I recieved the production order. Just for the reason that, it would be so easy to have had someone change out the hood, grill, and bumper over the last 50 years. The serial number on your truck is a fairly high number, so it looks to be late enough in the model year for the Deluxe Grill Package offering. I believe that the 4E3-122 that Frank Drumheller had seen back in 1988 was serial number E3-917, making yours if proven, the second 4E3-122 known. If the production order does indeed show it to be authentic, it still may be the only surviving 4E3-122. Because as Frank has stated, the one that he spotted back in 1988 was in disrepair at the time, and its fate is unknown. Best wishes for its authentication, and be sure to let us know when you get its production report. You may want to also post your new find on the Studebaker Truck Talk Forum. The Studebaker Truck Farmers that frequent there, would be very interested in your find also! Tim

<div align="left">Tim Stevens Big Sky Country, Montana '59 4E7-122 Deluxe '59 4E3-112 Deluxe Scotsman '59 Silver Hawk '57 Parkview Wagon '41 Double Dater Coupe</div id="left"> http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/Mergatroid/Mergatroid.jpg

studegary
02-23-2008, 10:06 PM
quote:Originally posted by Jeffrotech


quote:Originally posted by studemaker

...There are two known 4E3's, my 4E3-112 and one 4E3-122 whose fate is unknown....


O.k. - so maybe I've got the one 4E3-122!!!:D
Just got her a couple weeks ago, and I'm trying figure a few things out. No door trim or visors, but the fiberglass deluxe front. What do you think?!?!


Those single digit numbers only refer to pickups that are known to the registry. There were 1048 1959 4Es made and a lot of the later production Scotsman models had the Deluxe package. You probably have a factory Deluxe grille package, but the sure way to determine what your pickup is is to get the build sheet/production order.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

studegary
02-23-2008, 10:06 PM
quote:Originally posted by Jeffrotech


quote:Originally posted by studemaker

...There are two known 4E3's, my 4E3-112 and one 4E3-122 whose fate is unknown....


O.k. - so maybe I've got the one 4E3-122!!!:D
Just got her a couple weeks ago, and I'm trying figure a few things out. No door trim or visors, but the fiberglass deluxe front. What do you think?!?!


Those single digit numbers only refer to pickups that are known to the registry. There were 1048 1959 4Es made and a lot of the later production Scotsman models had the Deluxe package. You probably have a factory Deluxe grille package, but the sure way to determine what your pickup is is to get the build sheet/production order.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

studelark
02-23-2008, 10:22 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

It would have been a whole lot simpler to order a 4E6 Studebaker Truck with a Commander 245 engine, instead of a 4E3 Scotsman with a Deluxe kit, that is weird!

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

StudeRich; It is not weird, as there was no such thing in 1959 as a 4E6 Deluxe Studebaker truck. The only 1/2 ton truck available in 1959 with the Big Six was the 4E3 Scotsman.

Frank Drumheller
Louisa, VA
'60 Lark Regal VI 4 door sedan
'48 M16-52 Studebaker/Boyer fire truck

studelark
02-23-2008, 10:22 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

It would have been a whole lot simpler to order a 4E6 Studebaker Truck with a Commander 245 engine, instead of a 4E3 Scotsman with a Deluxe kit, that is weird!

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StudeRich; It is not weird, as there was no such thing in 1959 as a 4E6 Deluxe Studebaker truck. The only 1/2 ton truck available in 1959 with the Big Six was the 4E3 Scotsman.

Frank Drumheller
Louisa, VA
'60 Lark Regal VI 4 door sedan
'48 M16-52 Studebaker/Boyer fire truck

Mark57
02-23-2008, 10:44 PM
quote:Originally posted by studelark
It is not weird, as there was no such thing in 1959 as a 4E6 Deluxe Studebaker truck. The only 1/2 ton truck available in 1959 with the Big Six was the 4E3 Scotsman.

Frank Drumheller
Louisa, VA

Frank, with respect, I would suggest that your comment holds true for the domestic (US) market, but there were 4E6 truck's made for export, including Canada. I have attached an excerpt from the TW article on the '59 4E series Trucks. Appears that around 200 4E6's were made.
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/4ETrucks.jpg

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/IMG_0028a.jpg

Mark57
02-23-2008, 10:44 PM
quote:Originally posted by studelark
It is not weird, as there was no such thing in 1959 as a 4E6 Deluxe Studebaker truck. The only 1/2 ton truck available in 1959 with the Big Six was the 4E3 Scotsman.

Frank Drumheller
Louisa, VA

Frank, with respect, I would suggest that your comment holds true for the domestic (US) market, but there were 4E6 truck's made for export, including Canada. I have attached an excerpt from the TW article on the '59 4E series Trucks. Appears that around 200 4E6's were made.
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/4ETrucks.jpg

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/IMG_0028a.jpg

studemaker
02-24-2008, 10:34 AM
Gary L, might I ask a question of you. After receiving my production order, and finding that my Scotsman was ordered with the Deluxe Grille Package, I have started to seriously research the Deluxe Scotsmans. I find them to be quite an anomoly within Studebakers truck production, and worthy of some serious research, especially if found to be of very low production numbers. If they are found to be of very low production numbers by first gathering some information, perhaps the archived production orders should be researched. Thats were I am now in my research. Researching about 1000 orders might be daunting, but not impossible and still worth the time required, if the low production numbers prove out. The Scotman registry has only 5 known Deluxes, and while I realize that the registry is not an accurate representation of real production numbers, I also see that the percentage of 5 known Deluxes (and how many of the 5 have been proven by production orders?) is still a low number. I am seeing in your post that Deluxes were not of low numbers, but quite common in the last 3 months of the production year.
quote:There were 1048 1959 4Es made and a lot of the later production Scotsman models had the Deluxe package. My question is, where did you acquire this information that many of the late production Scotsmans were made this way? I also wish to gather this kind of information for my research. I would respectfully ask again, that you, or anyone that might have this information, or a copy of the photo that was also mentioned.
quote:I recall seeing a picture of a lot in South Bend with many new 1959 Scotsman pickups with the Deluxe package. please share this material with me, it would prove invaluable, and may save me a considerable amount of time and expense. Respectfully, Tim Stevens

<div align="left">Tim Stevens Big Sky Country, Montana '59 4E7-122 Deluxe '59 4E3-112 Deluxe Scotsman '59 Silver Hawk '57 Parkview Wagon '41 Double Dater Coupe</div id="left"> http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/Mergatroid/Mergatroid.jpg

studemaker
02-24-2008, 10:34 AM
Gary L, might I ask a question of you. After receiving my production order, and finding that my Scotsman was ordered with the Deluxe Grille Package, I have started to seriously research the Deluxe Scotsmans. I find them to be quite an anomoly within Studebakers truck production, and worthy of some serious research, especially if found to be of very low production numbers. If they are found to be of very low production numbers by first gathering some information, perhaps the archived production orders should be researched. Thats were I am now in my research. Researching about 1000 orders might be daunting, but not impossible and still worth the time required, if the low production numbers prove out. The Scotman registry has only 5 known Deluxes, and while I realize that the registry is not an accurate representation of real production numbers, I also see that the percentage of 5 known Deluxes (and how many of the 5 have been proven by production orders?) is still a low number. I am seeing in your post that Deluxes were not of low numbers, but quite common in the last 3 months of the production year.
quote:There were 1048 1959 4Es made and a lot of the later production Scotsman models had the Deluxe package. My question is, where did you acquire this information that many of the late production Scotsmans were made this way? I also wish to gather this kind of information for my research. I would respectfully ask again, that you, or anyone that might have this information, or a copy of the photo that was also mentioned.
quote:I recall seeing a picture of a lot in South Bend with many new 1959 Scotsman pickups with the Deluxe package. please share this material with me, it would prove invaluable, and may save me a considerable amount of time and expense. Respectfully, Tim Stevens

<div align="left">Tim Stevens Big Sky Country, Montana '59 4E7-122 Deluxe '59 4E3-112 Deluxe Scotsman '59 Silver Hawk '57 Parkview Wagon '41 Double Dater Coupe</div id="left"> http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/Mergatroid/Mergatroid.jpg

studelark
02-24-2008, 12:15 PM
[/quote] Mark

Frank, with respect, I would suggest that your comment holds true for the domestic (US) market, but there were 4E6 truck's made for export, including Canada.
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Of course, you're correct. I should have qualified the statement since the typical customer (in the US) could not have ordered a 4E6 unless he knew somebody at Studebaker Sales to intervene. Why do that when he could order a 4E3 Scotsman with the Deluxe grill without pulling strings? Oh, the tricks that were played by the Sales and Engineering Departments that keep us on our toes fifty years later!! Thanks, Mark, for the correction.

Frank Drumheller
Louisa, VA
'60 Lark Regal 4 door sedan
'48 M16-52 Studebaker/Boyer fire truck

studelark
02-24-2008, 12:15 PM
[/quote] Mark

Frank, with respect, I would suggest that your comment holds true for the domestic (US) market, but there were 4E6 truck's made for export, including Canada.
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Of course, you're correct. I should have qualified the statement since the typical customer (in the US) could not have ordered a 4E6 unless he knew somebody at Studebaker Sales to intervene. Why do that when he could order a 4E3 Scotsman with the Deluxe grill without pulling strings? Oh, the tricks that were played by the Sales and Engineering Departments that keep us on our toes fifty years later!! Thanks, Mark, for the correction.

Frank Drumheller
Louisa, VA
'60 Lark Regal 4 door sedan
'48 M16-52 Studebaker/Boyer fire truck

studelark
02-24-2008, 12:25 PM
quote:Originally posted by Jeffrotech


O.k. - so maybe I've got the one 4E3-122!!!:D
Just got her a couple weeks ago, and I'm trying figure a few things out. No door trim or visors, but the fiberglass deluxe front. What do you think?!?!



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Jeffrotech; Please post your model and serial number from the tag in the driver's step well. I think we could authenicate this truck as a Scotsman w/ deluxe package. Sure looks to be one. If so, I would like to list in the the Studebaker Scotsman Truck Registry.

Frank Drumheller
Louisa, VA
'60 Lark Regal VI 4 door sedan
'48 M16-52 Studebaker/Boyer fire truck
one junked Scotsman sitting in Studebaker Santuary

studelark
02-24-2008, 12:25 PM
quote:Originally posted by Jeffrotech


O.k. - so maybe I've got the one 4E3-122!!!:D
Just got her a couple weeks ago, and I'm trying figure a few things out. No door trim or visors, but the fiberglass deluxe front. What do you think?!?!



???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????

Jeffrotech; Please post your model and serial number from the tag in the driver's step well. I think we could authenicate this truck as a Scotsman w/ deluxe package. Sure looks to be one. If so, I would like to list in the the Studebaker Scotsman Truck Registry.

Frank Drumheller
Louisa, VA
'60 Lark Regal VI 4 door sedan
'48 M16-52 Studebaker/Boyer fire truck
one junked Scotsman sitting in Studebaker Santuary

Mark57
02-24-2008, 01:02 PM
quote:Originally posted by studelark
I should have qualified the statement since the typical customer (in the US) could not have ordered a 4E6 unless he knew somebody at Studebaker Sales to intervene. Why do that when he could order a 4E3 Scotsman with the Deluxe grill without pulling strings? Oh, the tricks that were played by the Sales and Engineering Departments that keep us on our toes fifty years later!! Thanks, Mark, for the correction.

Frank Drumheller
Louisa, VA


The thing I always have to think twice about is to remember that Canadian delivered vehicles are considered to be "export" models... something that does not readily resonate in my brain when many Stude's were built in Canada. ;)

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/IMG_0028a.jpg

Mark57
02-24-2008, 01:02 PM
quote:Originally posted by studelark
I should have qualified the statement since the typical customer (in the US) could not have ordered a 4E6 unless he knew somebody at Studebaker Sales to intervene. Why do that when he could order a 4E3 Scotsman with the Deluxe grill without pulling strings? Oh, the tricks that were played by the Sales and Engineering Departments that keep us on our toes fifty years later!! Thanks, Mark, for the correction.

Frank Drumheller
Louisa, VA


The thing I always have to think twice about is to remember that Canadian delivered vehicles are considered to be "export" models... something that does not readily resonate in my brain when many Stude's were built in Canada. ;)

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/IMG_0028a.jpg

studemaker
02-24-2008, 01:28 PM
Mark, you bring up more interesting questions. Something that I am uncertain of, being from the US. It would also change the course of my research on the Deluxe Scotsmans.... Did Hamilton have truck production also? If so, would they also have offered this option, or would it have been a South Bend option only? Hmm..... more questions! Tim

<div align="left">Tim Stevens Big Sky Country, Montana '59 4E7-122 Deluxe '59 4E3-112 Deluxe Scotsman '59 Silver Hawk '57 Parkview Wagon '41 Double Dater Coupe</div id="left"> http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/Mergatroid/Mergatroid.jpg

studemaker
02-24-2008, 01:28 PM
Mark, you bring up more interesting questions. Something that I am uncertain of, being from the US. It would also change the course of my research on the Deluxe Scotsmans.... Did Hamilton have truck production also? If so, would they also have offered this option, or would it have been a South Bend option only? Hmm..... more questions! Tim

<div align="left">Tim Stevens Big Sky Country, Montana '59 4E7-122 Deluxe '59 4E3-112 Deluxe Scotsman '59 Silver Hawk '57 Parkview Wagon '41 Double Dater Coupe</div id="left"> http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l11/studemaker/Mergatroid/Mergatroid.jpg

Jeffrotech
02-24-2008, 03:30 PM
quote:Originally posted by studelark


quote:Originally posted by Jeffrotech

O.k. - so maybe I've got the one 4E3-122!!!:D
Just got her a couple weeks ago, and I'm trying figure a few things out. No door trim or visors, but the fiberglass deluxe front. What do you think?!?!


Jeffrotech; Please post your model and serial number from the tag in the driver's step well. I think we could authenicate this truck as a Scotsman w/ deluxe package. Sure looks to be one. If so, I would like to list in the the Studebaker Scotsman Truck Registry.

Frank Drumheller


Frank, please see this info listed earlier in the post (I know... it's getting lengthy now!):
E3-889
4E3-122

So glad for the educated input! Plop it in the registry. Please let me know if there are other places to look for more numbers, tags, etc... al very interesting stuff!!!:D

Jeffrotech
02-24-2008, 03:30 PM
quote:Originally posted by studelark


quote:Originally posted by Jeffrotech

O.k. - so maybe I've got the one 4E3-122!!!:D
Just got her a couple weeks ago, and I'm trying figure a few things out. No door trim or visors, but the fiberglass deluxe front. What do you think?!?!


Jeffrotech; Please post your model and serial number from the tag in the driver's step well. I think we could authenicate this truck as a Scotsman w/ deluxe package. Sure looks to be one. If so, I would like to list in the the Studebaker Scotsman Truck Registry.

Frank Drumheller


Frank, please see this info listed earlier in the post (I know... it's getting lengthy now!):
E3-889
4E3-122

So glad for the educated input! Plop it in the registry. Please let me know if there are other places to look for more numbers, tags, etc... al very interesting stuff!!!:D

Mark57
02-24-2008, 05:49 PM
quote:Originally posted by studemaker

Mark, you bring up more interesting questions. Something that I am uncertain of, being from the US. It would also change the course of my research on the Deluxe Scotsmans.... Did Hamilton have truck production also? If so, would they also have offered this option, or would it have been a South Bend option only? Hmm..... more questions!

Tim Stevens
Big Sky Country, Montana

Tim, to the best of my knowledge no Trcuks were made in Hamilton after the 2R series (1953)?[?] I might be out by a year or so, someone will know, I'm sure... but I do know there were no Transtars (incl. Deluxe's) or Scotsmans made in Canada.

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/IMG_0028a.jpg

Mark57
02-24-2008, 05:49 PM
quote:Originally posted by studemaker

Mark, you bring up more interesting questions. Something that I am uncertain of, being from the US. It would also change the course of my research on the Deluxe Scotsmans.... Did Hamilton have truck production also? If so, would they also have offered this option, or would it have been a South Bend option only? Hmm..... more questions!

Tim Stevens
Big Sky Country, Montana

Tim, to the best of my knowledge no Trcuks were made in Hamilton after the 2R series (1953)?[?] I might be out by a year or so, someone will know, I'm sure... but I do know there were no Transtars (incl. Deluxe's) or Scotsmans made in Canada.

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/IMG_0028a.jpg