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BobPalma
01-25-2008, 12:08 PM
:) Buzz Beckman's Letters from Fred in the February 2008 Turning Wheels references an Exterior Group being a later addition to the Standard's option list. Fred Bartz' letter stated that said Exterior Group would include Regal(!) side trim. [:0]

This would produce a car with the frequently-used Studebaker script on the front fender(s), with a Regal stainless-steel spear running right above it, on its way back to the tail light(s).

'Can't say as I have ever heard of this before, or have ever seen a car so produced. Has anyone else? [?] [8D] BP

studeclunker
01-25-2008, 12:36 PM
Actually Bob, I've seen comments here on a car or two that was a Deluxe or Standard, that had been 'upgraded' somewhere in the past to a Regal trim. I wonder if the car really had come out of the factory that way? Wouldn't that Regal trim include full cover disks as well? What year these cars were, I can't remember. One may have been a '62 or even a '61. Just can't remember.[:o)]

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studeclunker
01-25-2008, 12:36 PM
Actually Bob, I've seen comments here on a car or two that was a Deluxe or Standard, that had been 'upgraded' somewhere in the past to a Regal trim. I wonder if the car really had come out of the factory that way? Wouldn't that Regal trim include full cover disks as well? What year these cars were, I can't remember. One may have been a '62 or even a '61. Just can't remember.[:o)]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/december%2006/HPIM0234.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/56%20Parkview%20Wagon/56wagonleftfrontclipped-1.jpg
Home of the famous Mr. Ed!
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

8E45E
01-25-2008, 12:59 PM
quote:Originally posted by BobPalma
[This would produce a car with the frequently-used Studebaker script on the front fender(s), with a Regal stainless-steel spear running right above it, on its way back to the tail light(s).

'Can't say as I have ever heard of this before, or have ever seen a car so produced. Has anyone else? [?] [8D] BP


Nope![^] But the Scotsman could be had with a "Chrome Dress-up Kit" to make it look like a 'x2' Deluxe, and the '64 Challenger was also available with an 'Appearance Kit' (option #85), so I would not be surprised if I see one eventually.

Craig

8E45E
01-25-2008, 12:59 PM
quote:Originally posted by BobPalma
[This would produce a car with the frequently-used Studebaker script on the front fender(s), with a Regal stainless-steel spear running right above it, on its way back to the tail light(s).

'Can't say as I have ever heard of this before, or have ever seen a car so produced. Has anyone else? [?] [8D] BP


Nope![^] But the Scotsman could be had with a "Chrome Dress-up Kit" to make it look like a 'x2' Deluxe, and the '64 Challenger was also available with an 'Appearance Kit' (option #85), so I would not be surprised if I see one eventually.

Craig

jnewkirk77
01-25-2008, 03:38 PM
I'm guessing here, but would it not make sense that the side trim could have been offered to avoid door dings? I realize the moldings are pretty high on the sides, so I don't know how much good they would have done, but that's the first thing that crossed my mind when I read this.

Or maybe our favorite automaker had some extra Regal trim they didn't know what to do with ...

One thing is certain with Studebaker: Just when you think you've figured everything (or quite a bit!) out, another little tidbit comes along to challenge what you think you know! ;)

Craig -- What was in the Challenger appearance package? I seem to recall it included chrome front and rear window moldings, but I know that can't be all. What else was there? I CAN'T REMEMBER!!! [V]

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

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jnewkirk77
01-25-2008, 03:38 PM
I'm guessing here, but would it not make sense that the side trim could have been offered to avoid door dings? I realize the moldings are pretty high on the sides, so I don't know how much good they would have done, but that's the first thing that crossed my mind when I read this.

Or maybe our favorite automaker had some extra Regal trim they didn't know what to do with ...

One thing is certain with Studebaker: Just when you think you've figured everything (or quite a bit!) out, another little tidbit comes along to challenge what you think you know! ;)

Craig -- What was in the Challenger appearance package? I seem to recall it included chrome front and rear window moldings, but I know that can't be all. What else was there? I CAN'T REMEMBER!!! [V]

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

KEEP AMERICA BEAUTIFUL! Drive a Studebaker!

StudeRich
01-25-2008, 03:51 PM
I can't remember either what all was in the appearance kit, but front & rear window mouldings sounds right, I believe it had Commander body side mouldings also it would have a hood ornament added.

The Interior kit had a right hand arm rest and R/h visor an possibly a glove box, instead of the cardboard door. The Challenger also came with an extra cheap clock dummy, cheesier than a Commander and WAY cheesier than the nice Daytona one that had the glass and chrome bezel.

Well since we got only a little OT talking about '64 Challengers instead of '63 Standards, here is a rare one, a built the day before shutdown, '64 Challenger I used to own, it was ordered with the Taxi seat W/Green Cloth it's got the #85 Convenience Group which I think is the Interior kit. It was a V-8 with Commander body side Mouldings and Commander nameplates and Challenger "C" pillar Lark emblem (no window Mldgs. tho) when Dad bought it in 1975, so it COULD have been built that way, I don't know.

I think it was one of those that got factory modified from the unsold lot to fill existing orders, because it also had Air Cond. & Power Steering added.
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/studerich/ProductionOrder12_19_63.jpg
StudeRich -Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
01-25-2008, 03:51 PM
I can't remember either what all was in the appearance kit, but front & rear window mouldings sounds right, I believe it had Commander body side mouldings also it would have a hood ornament added.

The Interior kit had a right hand arm rest and R/h visor an possibly a glove box, instead of the cardboard door. The Challenger also came with an extra cheap clock dummy, cheesier than a Commander and WAY cheesier than the nice Daytona one that had the glass and chrome bezel.

Well since we got only a little OT talking about '64 Challengers instead of '63 Standards, here is a rare one, a built the day before shutdown, '64 Challenger I used to own, it was ordered with the Taxi seat W/Green Cloth it's got the #85 Convenience Group which I think is the Interior kit. It was a V-8 with Commander body side Mouldings and Commander nameplates and Challenger "C" pillar Lark emblem (no window Mldgs. tho) when Dad bought it in 1975, so it COULD have been built that way, I don't know.

I think it was one of those that got factory modified from the unsold lot to fill existing orders, because it also had Air Cond. & Power Steering added.
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/studerich/ProductionOrder12_19_63.jpg
StudeRich -Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA

8E45E
01-25-2008, 08:39 PM
quote:Originally posted by jnewkirk77
Craig -- What was in the Challenger appearance package? I seem to recall it included chrome front and rear window moldings, but I know that can't be all. What else was there? I CAN'T REMEMBER!!! [V]



The hood ornament was the only other piece of chrome.

Craig

8E45E
01-25-2008, 08:39 PM
quote:Originally posted by jnewkirk77
Craig -- What was in the Challenger appearance package? I seem to recall it included chrome front and rear window moldings, but I know that can't be all. What else was there? I CAN'T REMEMBER!!! [V]



The hood ornament was the only other piece of chrome.

Craig

Dwain G.
01-26-2008, 01:02 AM
I have a couple of the green Sales Letters that address the optional trim for Standard models.
No. 126, 11/19/62, 'Appearance Group'- F2 and Y2 Standard Series (item #79) This consisted only of windshield and rear window stainless trim and a trunk mat.
No. 136, Jan. 10, 1963, 'Availability of Exterior Trim Group - F2 and Y2 Standard Series, (item #76) Consisted of bright metal side mouldings (rub rails) and hood ornament. This would be the upper, or Regal model, trim front to rear.
___________________________________
Okay, that doesn't read right does it? By upper I was only referring to it's location on the body.

http://home.comcast.net/~jdwain/images/63.63.jpg
Dwain G.

Dwain G.
01-26-2008, 01:02 AM
I have a couple of the green Sales Letters that address the optional trim for Standard models.
No. 126, 11/19/62, 'Appearance Group'- F2 and Y2 Standard Series (item #79) This consisted only of windshield and rear window stainless trim and a trunk mat.
No. 136, Jan. 10, 1963, 'Availability of Exterior Trim Group - F2 and Y2 Standard Series, (item #76) Consisted of bright metal side mouldings (rub rails) and hood ornament. This would be the upper, or Regal model, trim front to rear.
___________________________________
Okay, that doesn't read right does it? By upper I was only referring to it's location on the body.

http://home.comcast.net/~jdwain/images/63.63.jpg
Dwain G.

StudeRich
01-26-2008, 01:55 AM
I think that would be the higher than Standard, but still "lower level" Regal, body side mouldings, not Top level.
Remember on the '63 F & non-Cruiser Y's the best was the Custom, with the '62 Daytona like, little brushed aluminum trim hanging below the 1/4 moulding.


quote:Originally posted by Dwain G.

No. 136, Jan. 10, 1963, 'Availability of Exterior Trim Group - F2 and Y2 Standard Series, (item #76) Consisted of bright metal side mouldings (rub rails) and hood ornament. This would be the upper, or Regal model, trim front to rear. Dwain G.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
01-26-2008, 01:55 AM
I think that would be the higher than Standard, but still "lower level" Regal, body side mouldings, not Top level.
Remember on the '63 F & non-Cruiser Y's the best was the Custom, with the '62 Daytona like, little brushed aluminum trim hanging below the 1/4 moulding.


quote:Originally posted by Dwain G.

No. 136, Jan. 10, 1963, 'Availability of Exterior Trim Group - F2 and Y2 Standard Series, (item #76) Consisted of bright metal side mouldings (rub rails) and hood ornament. This would be the upper, or Regal model, trim front to rear. Dwain G.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

r1lark
01-26-2008, 03:08 AM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

I can't remember either what all was in the appearance kit, but front & rear window mouldings sounds right, I believe it had Commander body side mouldings also it would have a hood ornament added.

The Interior kit had a right hand arm rest and R/h visor an possibly a glove box, instead of the cardboard door. The Challenger also came with an extra cheap clock dummy, cheesier than a Commander and WAY cheesier than the nice Daytona one that had the glass and chrome bezel.

Well since we got only a little OT talking about '64 Challengers instead of '63 Standards, here is a rare one, a built the day before shutdown, '64 Challenger I used to own, it was ordered with the Taxi seat W/Green Cloth it's got the #85 Convenience Group which I think is the Interior kit. It was a V-8 with Commander body side Mouldings and Commander nameplates and Challenger "C" pillar Lark emblem (no window Mldgs. tho) when Dad bought it in 1975, so it COULD have been built that way, I don't know.

I think it was one of those that got factory modified from the unsold lot to fill existing orders, because it also had Air Cond. & Power Steering added.
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/studerich/ProductionOrder12_19_63.jpg
StudeRich -Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA


My Dad, who was a Studebaker dealer up thru the end, told me that at their dealership they would many times install the Commander stainless stide trim on the Challengers. Low cost, not much time invested, and the added trim made the Challengers much more 'saleable'.

In fact, he had me do this to his '64 Challenger F-body.

Paul
Winston-Salem, NC

Visit The Studebaker Skytop Registry website at: http://hometown.aol.com/r1skytop/myhomepage/index.html

r1lark
01-26-2008, 03:08 AM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

I can't remember either what all was in the appearance kit, but front & rear window mouldings sounds right, I believe it had Commander body side mouldings also it would have a hood ornament added.

The Interior kit had a right hand arm rest and R/h visor an possibly a glove box, instead of the cardboard door. The Challenger also came with an extra cheap clock dummy, cheesier than a Commander and WAY cheesier than the nice Daytona one that had the glass and chrome bezel.

Well since we got only a little OT talking about '64 Challengers instead of '63 Standards, here is a rare one, a built the day before shutdown, '64 Challenger I used to own, it was ordered with the Taxi seat W/Green Cloth it's got the #85 Convenience Group which I think is the Interior kit. It was a V-8 with Commander body side Mouldings and Commander nameplates and Challenger "C" pillar Lark emblem (no window Mldgs. tho) when Dad bought it in 1975, so it COULD have been built that way, I don't know.

I think it was one of those that got factory modified from the unsold lot to fill existing orders, because it also had Air Cond. & Power Steering added.
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/studerich/ProductionOrder12_19_63.jpg
StudeRich -Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA


My Dad, who was a Studebaker dealer up thru the end, told me that at their dealership they would many times install the Commander stainless stide trim on the Challengers. Low cost, not much time invested, and the added trim made the Challengers much more 'saleable'.

In fact, he had me do this to his '64 Challenger F-body.

Paul
Winston-Salem, NC

Visit The Studebaker Skytop Registry website at: http://hometown.aol.com/r1skytop/myhomepage/index.html

BobPalma
01-26-2008, 12:54 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dwain G.
No. 136, Jan. 10, 1963, 'Availability of Exterior Trim Group - F2 and Y2 Standard Series, (item #76) Consisted of bright metal side mouldings (rub rails) and hood ornament. This would be the upper, or Regal model, trim front to rear.

Dwain G.



:) Well, that's the item in question, Dwain: Option #76 for Standards; Exterior Trim Group.
Now, has anyone really seen one so built? [?][:0];)[8D] BP

BobPalma
01-26-2008, 12:54 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dwain G.
No. 136, Jan. 10, 1963, 'Availability of Exterior Trim Group - F2 and Y2 Standard Series, (item #76) Consisted of bright metal side mouldings (rub rails) and hood ornament. This would be the upper, or Regal model, trim front to rear.

Dwain G.



:) Well, that's the item in question, Dwain: Option #76 for Standards; Exterior Trim Group.
Now, has anyone really seen one so built? [?][:0];)[8D] BP