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64V-K7
12-09-2017, 08:55 AM
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1958-packard-hawk/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2017-12-09

8E45E
12-09-2017, 09:03 AM
Thanks for the update on it: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?5396-Packard-Hawk-ragtop&highlight=packard+hawk+convertible

http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?99456-Was-there-a-Packard-Hawk-convertible&highlight=packard+hawk+convertible

Craig

avanti-hawk
12-09-2017, 09:04 AM
Looks better than I expected! Must have been an $$$ expensive conversion.

studegary
12-09-2017, 10:02 AM
I wonder why they think that it has a "fiberglass...trunk lid"?

I guess that it wasn't donated with a provision that it couldn't be sold.
I never thought that it fitted in with a Packard museum since it was not a production model or even a styling/prototype car.

StudeRich
12-09-2017, 11:36 AM
This is one really beautiful Packard Hawk. :!:

Apparently, that "STORY" has been propagated ever since our first Post about it here, back in 2007!

It appears there were several owners and at least 2 Museums involved since then, all talking the "Story".

We knew Stan and he never was the "Chief Engineer at Studebaker", he was a Boeing Co. Everett, WA Aircraft Engineer who also built a Landau Removable Top '63 GT Hawk, White with Blue interior.
So the Car as it now is, has no Connection to Studebaker at all, not a Prototype.

It does make entertaining reading though! :D

Chris Pile
12-09-2017, 12:14 PM
No matter what the story is, the car is a LOOKER.

brngarage
12-09-2017, 01:49 PM
I saw that car this past May when I visited that museum on my way home from South Bend. It is all there, but a little rough around the edges (loose vinyl on the seats, loose fitting convertible top, etc.). What struck me is that it is 3 speed/overdrive car. I had a Packard Hawk back in my youth and it was also a 3 speed/overdrive car. I made an effort to find out how many were manual transmission some time ago and somehow (I don't remember how) was told that there were 26 Packard Hawks built at the factory equipped that way. That would make the one in the museum very rare (manual transmission AND changed into a convertible.

studegary
12-09-2017, 02:23 PM
I saw that car this past May when I visited that museum on my way home from South Bend. It is all there, but a little rough around the edges (loose vinyl on the seats, loose fitting convertible top, etc.). What struck me is that it is 3 speed/overdrive car. I had a Packard Hawk back in my youth and it was also a 3 speed/overdrive car. I made an effort to find out how many were manual transmission some time ago and somehow (I don't remember how) was told that there were 26 Packard Hawks built at the factory equipped that way. That would make the one in the museum very rare (manual transmission AND changed into a convertible.

Flightomatic (AT) was standard in Packard Hawks. Overdrive was a no charge option in them. Conventional 3-speed was not available in them.
I do not remember ever working on, or even seeing, an OD PH.

S2Deluxe
12-09-2017, 04:12 PM
I wonder why they think that it has a "fiberglass...trunk lid"?

Maybe, they were using a magnet on the fake fibreglass spare tire cover, and it didn't stick?

Mark

rockne10
12-09-2017, 05:47 PM
I find the '63 Daytona R2 hardtop more intriguing. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-studebaker-lark-daytona-r/

https://13252-presscdn-0-94-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/P1010623-940x705.jpg

JRoberts
12-09-2017, 10:20 PM
I visited the America's Packard Museum in Dayton, Ohio last summer and saw this car there. It certainly does not look as good in person than it does in this picture. BRNGARAGE has said it correctly. The docent that took me around the museum said that they were have trouble with some stuff on the car. The convertible redesign of the Packard Hawk is really good looking. This one just has some issues some of which are a little deeper than just cosmetic.

PackardV8
12-09-2017, 10:35 PM
And the original engine would of course have been and probably still is a 289".

jack vines

parts
12-10-2017, 02:19 AM
It looks somewhat like a Daimler SP250,,
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/uploads/cars/daimler/7597062.jpg

S2Deluxe
12-10-2017, 05:53 PM
And the original engine would of course have been and probably still is a 289".

jack vines

I'm sure that's right, Jack. It's an error that's not that unlikely to be missed, by those who aren't particularly familiar with the history of the Studebaker Packard corporation and the vehicles they actually produced. It does correctly identify the engine, in the BaT essentials section, above in the add.

Mark

RareBird
12-13-2017, 04:56 AM
Flightomatic (AT) was standard in Packard Hawks. Overdrive was a no charge option in them. Conventional 3-speed was not available in them.
I do not remember ever working on, or even seeing, an OD PH.

Gary you might just want to check you resources. Those 26 3 on the trees were built. They truly are the Rarebirds! I was looking for one to restore and came across a rust free California automatic.

studegary
12-13-2017, 08:08 PM
Gary you might just want to check you resources. Those 26 3 on the trees were built. They truly are the Rarebirds! I was looking for one to restore and came across a rust free California automatic.

My resource for this was the 1958 Packard Dealers' Data Book. I guess that S-P changed their mind after this was published.

8E45E
12-13-2017, 08:26 PM
My resource for this was the 1958 Packard Dealers' Data Book. I guess that S-P changed their mind after this was published.

I think you know that S-P 'changed their mind' often during a certain model year. Some examples are 1960 Larks with 289's, non-convertible 1961 Larks painted Flamingo, 1965 Cruisers with vinyl tops, and 1966 230 Super-Skybolts with 3-speed standard;either OD or non-OD. Usually, they are backed up with Sales Letters.

Craig

studegary
12-13-2017, 09:22 PM
I think you know that S-P 'changed their mind' often during a certain model year. Some examples are 1960 Larks with 289's, non-convertible 1961 Larks painted Flamingo, 1965 Cruisers with vinyl tops, and 1966 230 Super-Skybolts with 3-speed standard;either OD or non-OD. Usually, they are backed up with Sales Letters.

Craig

Yes, I not only realize this, but I have also known people that owned some of your examples.

bumpkinvilledano
12-15-2017, 02:06 PM
Quick update; car sold today for $102,000

8E45E
12-15-2017, 04:46 PM
Quick update; car sold today for $102,000

Now if that won't make every '58 PH owner cut the roof of their's, I don't know what will!!

Craig

StudeDave57
12-15-2017, 04:56 PM
Now if that won't make every '58 PH owner cut the roof of their's, I don't know what will!!
Craig

They'd have to also make up a good story.

And add raised white letter tires... ;) :ohmy:

avanti-hawk
12-15-2017, 07:48 PM
Quick update; car sold today for $102,000

Whatever you think of the car, it's nice to see a 58 S-P Hawk oddball bring the same kind of money as a '58 Big 3 convertible/coupe/handbuilt rig would bring!

abkco
03-26-2019, 08:43 PM
Could this be a scam? 1 bid for 19,000? It sold 2 years ago for 109,000. Buyer beware

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1958-Packard-Packard/303107702776?hash=item4692a07ff8:g:p-IAAOSwndBcmXbD

345 DeSoto
03-27-2019, 10:12 AM
You bet!^^^^^^^^^^