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arkusvt
12-03-2017, 11:21 PM
is there a number where studebaker stopped using the mercedes star logo after they were sued? i have an early starliner with the mercedes star identification; really curious as to where it fits into the picture. thank you.

Dwain G.
12-04-2017, 12:24 AM
Yes, it's covered in the body parts book. US cars are listed by body numbers so you'll need the information on the firewall body tag.
Canadian cars are listed by serial number.

(S)
12-04-2017, 12:27 AM
68974I think it was at least 3/4 of the production year. I have one of these, and curious myself. This one has the tri star wheel covers, radio delete, ash trays, horn button........ and may be for sale.

S2Deluxe
12-04-2017, 12:49 AM
is there a number where studebaker stopped using the mercedes star logo after they were sued?

On the C/K bodies, at least, I believe, the Vernon assembly plant in southern California, used them throughout the entire 1953 model year.

Mark

8E45E
12-04-2017, 07:32 AM
is there a number where studebaker stopped using the mercedes star logo after they were sued?

Studebaker was NEVER sued by Mercedes Benz over the use of the Tri-Star. They were cordially asked to cease using it without even the threat of legal action. After all, four years later, Studebaker-Packard took over the distribution of Mercedes Benz products in USA and Canada.

Craig

bezhawk
12-04-2017, 08:36 AM
They continued to use the tristar as a raised section of the back-up light lenses on C/K cars until 55. That was aldo the last time they used glass for major lenses (except for license lights.

Cowtown Commander
12-04-2017, 09:41 AM
Your forgetting the Avanti headlamp lenses those were glass in fact Avanti Motors had to do a recall because of the glass headlamp lenses in the late 60s or early 70s as glass lenses were deemed to be unsafe.

studegary
12-04-2017, 05:24 PM
On the C/K bodies, at least, I believe, the Vernon assembly plant in southern California, used them throughout the entire 1953 model year.

Mark

The hood and trunk tristars were used throughout the model year on 1953s assembled in Vernon (LA).

arkusvt
12-05-2017, 01:11 PM
i haven't purchased a body parts manual as yet. the vin.# is 8323568, the body# is 4H-K5,8802.the body plate is attached by two phillips head screws. is that correct? the car was repainted with a color change 28 years ago; the plate and screws are the new color. i acquired the car from an 84 year old gent who bought it 50 years ago from the original owner; it has 29k original miles on her, with only 9k added in the last 50 years, so i have no reason to question anything, just curious. thanks for any help!

rockne10
12-05-2017, 02:34 PM
...the body plate is attached by two phillips head screws. is that correct? the car was repainted with a color change 28 years ago; the plate and screws are the new color.That IS correct; and the body tag was screwed in place before final painting, so under it should be only primer. Not that anyone will ever care to look.

55 56 PREZ 4D
12-05-2017, 04:21 PM
Per the 53-58 Body Parts Catalog, Pg 30 [Closed Bodies, U S A]

Note #24
Type "A" emblem [tristar] used on models before body numbers

14G
W1-2887
W3-9792
W5-12604
F1-1771
F3-4685
F5-2061
C3-3258
C5-10335

4H
W3-7729
W5-6014
Y5-13014
F3-1617
C3-3751
C5-11445

This would refer to the trunk emblem since the hood and front emblem is covered in the chassis parts catalog.
But I suppose the hood emblem would have changed at the same body number.

Note #25
Type "B" emblem [V] used on and after body numbers and car serials in Note 24.

Per Pg #257, [Open Bodies, U S A]
Note #21
Type "A" ornament used on models before body numbers

14G
K5-7547

4H
K5-15058

Note #22
Type "B" ornament used on and after body numbers and serials in Note #21

studegary
12-05-2017, 05:52 PM
i haven't purchased a body parts manual as yet. the vin.# is 8323568, the body# is 4H-K5,8802.the body plate is attached by two phillips head screws. is that correct? the car was repainted with a color change 28 years ago; the plate and screws are the new color. i acquired the car from an 84 year old gent who bought it 50 years ago from the original owner; it has 29k original miles on her, with only 9k added in the last 50 years, so i have no reason to question anything, just curious. thanks for any help!

One of the South Bend built Commander Starliners that I owned had a S/N starting in 833XXXX (higher than yours). I knew that car since it was new and it had the Tri-Star hood and trunk emblems.

The Serial Number plate should be spot welded on and not painted. The body plate should be held on with Phillips head screws and be painted with the body.

studegary
12-05-2017, 05:54 PM
55 56 PREZ 4D - (I didn't want to repeat your chart.) Your chart does not include the K body Starliners.

Jeff_H
12-05-2017, 08:29 PM
Per the '51-'54 chassis manual:

Type "A" aka tri-star hood emblems used on:

14G W & F body S/N G1245498 and earlier
14G C & K body S/N G1246604 and earlier
4H W, F & Y body S/N 8340196 and earlier
4H C & K body S/N 8339269 and earlier

Type "B" aka the V/S emblems start with the next S/Ns from those.

My own '53 K body is a 14G-K5 and S/N G1228619 and has the tri-stars. It was built in May of '53.

Dwain G.
12-05-2017, 11:03 PM
Your serial number indicates the car was built in May of 1953. That was the same month it was decided to quit putting the three pointed star on new production, but they kept them in parts stock for replacement purposes.

brngarage
12-06-2017, 12:21 PM
Jeff_H, how come no reference to Vernon built '53 Commander Starliners (serial numbers starting at 882nnnn and ending with 883nnnn
or same year Champion Starliners from Vernon (serial numbers starting at G-917nnn and ending with G-927nnn)?
I have a '53 Commander Starliner which has the Tristars and is serial number 8834960 (pretty late in the run).

studegary
12-06-2017, 01:12 PM
Jeff_H, how come no reference to Vernon built '53 Commander Starliners (serial numbers starting at 882nnnn and ending with 883nnnn
or same year Champion Starliners from Vernon (serial numbers starting at G-917nnn and ending with G-927nnn)?
I have a '53 Commander Starliner which has the Tristars and is serial number 8834960 (pretty late in the run).

My post here (number 8) answers this (they were not deleted on Vernon cars).

AllstonEP
12-06-2017, 05:44 PM
Jeff_H, how come no reference to Vernon built '53 Commander Starliners (serial numbers starting at 882nnnn and ending with 883nnnn
or same year Champion Starliners from Vernon (serial numbers starting at G-917nnn and ending with G-927nnn)?
I have a '53 Commander Starliner which has the Tristars and is serial number 8834960 (pretty late in the run).

I thought Champions were "Starlight", but I could be wrong. Been trying to pin this down for months now. Registered a 1953 Hardtop a few weeks ago and the registry was grilling me on the names Regal and Starliner versus Starlight.

StudeRich
12-06-2017, 05:54 PM
Champions and Commanders had the same Bodies so WHY would the Champions be named differently than the Commanders?

A Coupe is a "C" Body Starlight Coupe.

A Hardtop is a "K" Body Starliner Hardtop.

They came in either Champion Sixes OR Commander V8's.

Starliners were all Regals.
Starlights came in C3 or C5, Deluxe or Regal.

No wonder you were "heckeled". :eek:

arkusvt
12-06-2017, 11:04 PM
i'm just tickled to have one finally. i was 13 when they came out and fell in love. really appreciate all the feedback. thank you all!

55 56 PREZ 4D
12-07-2017, 01:15 AM
55 56 PREZ 4D - (I didn't want to repeat your chart.) Your chart does not include the K body Starliners.

I added the info to my chart. Thanks

AllstonEP
12-08-2017, 02:48 AM
Where did you get the low mileage 1953? Post some pictures!!!

arkusvt
12-08-2017, 05:16 PM
bought the car in massachusetts. sorry, no pictures from this old guy, don't know how, don't really want to learn, this computer stuff oftentimes makes my head hurt! try to picture car in bright red with a white top that has bias ply wide whites probably 30 years old. (will be replaced by the four new hancooks just received from discount tire. thanks to a previous poster for the heads-up.)

studegary
12-08-2017, 10:27 PM
bought the car in massachusetts. sorry, no pictures from this old guy, don't know how, don't really want to learn, this computer stuff oftentimes makes my head hurt! try to picture car in bright red with a white top that has bias ply wide whites probably 30 years old. (will be replaced by the four new hancooks just received from discount tire. thanks to a previous poster for the heads-up.)

If it is bright red with a white top, it is either a repaint/color change or it is a 1953 Spring Special (Bombay Red and Salem White). If so, it should have flax (cream color) vinyl upholstery and Monterey Beige metal trim (instead of Loma Gray).

arkusvt
12-08-2017, 11:57 PM
refer to post #9. repaint 28 years ago,(still looks great). has a red vinyl interior, i'm not a student of these cars, just a fan so can't speak to it's correctness or lack of.

studegary
12-09-2017, 10:47 AM
refer to post #9. repaint 28 years ago,(still looks great). has a red vinyl interior, i'm not a student of these cars, just a fan so can't speak to it's correctness or lack of.

That really fits the description of one that I supplied parts and information for that was "restored"" in (I believe/IIRC) Minnesota at about that time.