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Pckstude
09-13-2017, 05:45 PM
Bought a '65 wagon with the 283 in it. Originally a light green/lime color with a 3 on the tree. Black vinyl split seats, not bucket, and the slide top roof. However some knucklehead put a chevy bell housing, and three spd in it, then cobbled in a floor shift. It runs okay, with the brakes and steering in good shape. The body panels have minimal rust, and the underside is solid as new with under coating. Ser. no. C515090. From what info I've found so far, it's one of 735 made, with serial numbers starting at 510001, does this mean they numbered the cars sequentially regardless of model? If so, then my car is the 5,090 car produced that year?
Eventually I would like to return the trans back to the original stude, with o/d & 3 on the tree. It's a driver that still needs some tinkering. Last week I took it to a local car show and slid the top forward. I stood up in the back and answered questions that started with the comment "I didn't know they made one like that!"
Not much time left to drive it this year before storage, but I've had fun & troubles with it already!

61Lark
09-13-2017, 06:16 PM
Does your car look like the one in the picture? If it does, then it is probably the same car that I sold 8 years ago.

2R5
09-13-2017, 06:39 PM
Welcome to the wagon world ...... have fun with it !

BobPalma
09-13-2017, 06:51 PM
Bought a '65 wagon with the 283 in it. Ser. no. C515090. From what info I've found so far, it's one of 735 made, with serial numbers starting at 510001, does this mean they numbered the cars sequentially regardless of model? If so, then my car is the 5,090 car produced that year?

:) That's partly true. Yours is the 5090th V-8 model made, regardless of body style. :cool: BP

studegary
09-13-2017, 08:45 PM
I believe that there were 1824 wagons built for 1965. Maybe your 735 number is some subset of that (like V8 or Daytona).

StudeRich
09-13-2017, 09:05 PM
The Bellhousing could be stock Studebaker to mount the Late Stude./Chev. Case Borg Warner T-86 Standard 3 Speed or Overdrive.

Is it a straight Stick GM Case Trans., not BW?

Pckstude
09-13-2017, 10:25 PM
Yes it does! Did you sell it to John Buhlman? And if you did, can you give me any history on the car?

Pckstude
09-13-2017, 10:29 PM
It's a GM 23 3825847, cast and 1201 cast tag. with a GM bell housing 3840383.

Pckstude
09-13-2017, 10:34 PM
Thanks Bob. I ordered the production order from the museum today.

Studelarkrod
09-13-2017, 10:40 PM
Thanks Bob. I ordered the production order from the museum today.

How does one do this?

studegary
09-13-2017, 10:43 PM
How does one do this?

Go to the Studebaker National Museum web site and you can order it there. Someone else may provide you with a link.

rkapteyn
09-13-2017, 11:01 PM
I have a T86 overdrive out of a 1965 Studebaker for sale.
The problem is that the bell housing is aluminum and is corroded so I can not remove the bell housing from the transmission.
If I try to get it off I may break the bell housing.
You can install the trans and bell housing together.
Offers to studebaker@mac.com
Robert Kapteyn

61Lark
09-14-2017, 12:02 AM
Yes it does! Did you sell it to John Buhlman? And if you did, can you give me any history on the car?

Yes I did. I bought the car in 2007 from a guy in Northern Minnesota, but the car had come from Oregon or Washington at some point. I didn't have the car that long and ended up selling because I didn't drive it very often, plus I had two other Lark wagons at the time. I always liked the car and it's one of the few that I've regretted selling.

wittsend
09-14-2017, 01:44 PM
Thanks Bob. I ordered the production order from the museum today.

Not sure if this is urban legend or not but I recall someone stating that there are no production orders available for the Canadian built cars. And being it is a '65 ... . Please advise to set the record straight.

2R5
09-14-2017, 01:51 PM
Not sure if this is urban legend or not but I recall someone stating that there are no production orders available for the Canadian built cars. And being it is a '65 ... . Please advise to set the record straight.

They are available but there are some numbers , Inthink late ones , that got dumped and now are not in order . I have my production order for both my 65 and 66

jclary
09-14-2017, 03:14 PM
... some knucklehead put a chevy bell housing, and three spd in it, then cobbled in a floor shift...


Does your car look like the one in the picture? If it does, then it is probably the same car that I sold 8 years ago.


Yes I did. I bought the car in 2007 from a guy in Northern Minnesota, but the car had come from Oregon or Washington at some point. I didn't have the car that long and ended up selling because I didn't drive it very often, plus I had two other Lark wagons at the time. I always liked the car and it's one of the few that I've regretted selling.

HMmn...so far looks like you two have had a pleasant conversation...but...have either of you figured out this KNUCKLEHEAD thing?:oops:;)

Pckstude
09-14-2017, 11:04 PM
Sounds like you didn't do the tranny swap, etc. Must've been the knucklehead you bought from. lol Are you coming to Menomenie Wi this Friday and Saturday for the all Studebaker swap meet?

Pckstude
09-14-2017, 11:06 PM
I guess it was either the guy in Northern MN, or out west.

Pckstude
09-14-2017, 11:10 PM
Are you the man that has the old car manufacturing building? Ernie Loga and I were at your place 4 or 5 yrs ago. I will keep you in mind if I can't find one around here. I would also need the shifting rods.

Vertwagon
09-15-2017, 10:19 AM
congrats!!

61Lark
09-15-2017, 01:33 PM
I'm guess that the transmission was changed a while back. The car also had a pretty stiff clutch and glass packs when I got it.

Pckstude
09-15-2017, 07:28 PM
The glasspacks sound good, and the clutch is still stiff. Thanks.

rkapteyn
09-17-2017, 04:17 AM
Clutches on 1965 and 1966 Studebaker were always stiff.
Look at the hoagy clutch linkage designed by a three year old.
Yes my son owns the building where the Economy Motor Car company was located in 1908-1912 in Joliet Illinois.
I have a T86 from a 1965 for sale, same as a 1966 either six or V8.
It has a GM bell housing from the factory.
Robert Kapteyn
studebaker@mac.com

Chrycoman
09-17-2017, 10:01 PM
Not sure if this is urban legend or not but I recall someone stating that there are no production orders available for the Canadian built cars. And being it is a '65 ... . Please advise to set the record straight.

The museum has Canadian build records back to 1960.

Pckstude
09-28-2017, 11:42 PM
The build sheet came in today! It doesn't look like South Bend sheets, and this is a photo copy. The car was delivered to Capitol Studebaker Co. in Sacramento CA. Built Jan. 27 of 65. There are no dates on it to tell when it was shipped. It confirmed my thought that it was a 3spd/od. Laurentian Green with black interior, and reclining seats. Factory undercoating and manual antenna. Was the antenna one of those you cranked up from the inside? Or pulled up from the outside? Line number 8384, body no.8272, engine no. 205447524, and came with Dunlap 2ply w/w tires. I'm still trying to get it road worthy dependable. Little things keep popping up, like gas tank leaks. Nothing serious. It rumbles nice with the glass packs, but is geared low with the transplant gm 3spd. Otherwise it goes down the road pretty good.

StudeRich
09-29-2017, 12:53 AM
The "Manual" Antenna would be a pull up from outside. The extra cost "Internal Control" cranked up from inside.

They both went through BOTH the Left front fender rear corner AND the Cowl, going into the Door pillar area of the Kick Panel.

studegary
09-29-2017, 01:05 PM
The build sheet came in today! It doesn't look like South Bend sheets, and this is a photo copy. The car was delivered to Capitol Studebaker Co. in Sacramento CA. Built Jan. 27 of 65. There are no dates on it to tell when it was shipped. It confirmed my thought that it was a 3spd/od. Laurentian Green with black interior, and reclining seats. Factory undercoating and manual antenna. Was the antenna one of those you cranked up from the inside? Or pulled up from the outside? Line number 8384, body no.8272, engine no. 205447524, and came with Dunlap 2ply w/w tires. I'm still trying to get it road worthy dependable. Little things keep popping up, like gas tank leaks. Nothing serious. It rumbles nice with the glass packs, but is geared low with the transplant gm 3spd. Otherwise it goes down the road pretty good.

Being "Built Jan. 27 of 65..." it would have to be built in Canada (Hamilton), not South Bend.

Pckstude
10-01-2017, 12:41 AM
Guess I didn't clarify, but I was comparing the Canadian build sheet I got with one I've seen from South Bend. So yes, I knew it came from Canada.