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Mr. Bill
01-19-2008, 05:11 PM
How common was Frigidaire Air Conditioning in a 1954 Packard Clipper Super?
Is the Frigidaire unit a better system than the NOVI units installed in the big Studebaker V8 sedans beginning in 1955?

Referring to the 54 Clipper Super on Ebay now

Bill Sapp
Hamlet, NC

showbizkid
01-19-2008, 05:58 PM
Any A/C in a '50s vintage automobile is more uncommon than not, since they were high-buck propositions. The Frigidaire units are the same as were installed in GM cars of the period (Frigidaire was still a GM company at the time and their logo appeared on A/C systems for GM cars into the '70s). Just as good as the Novi units, if not a little better, and parts are slightly easier to come by since they were GM.

BTW, is it just me, or would this car not look great with Cragars, 215/70 R15 Coopers and a set of lake pipes? [}:)]

http://i21.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/d3/26/7cc7_12.JPG


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Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
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www.studebakersandiego.com

showbizkid
01-19-2008, 05:58 PM
Any A/C in a '50s vintage automobile is more uncommon than not, since they were high-buck propositions. The Frigidaire units are the same as were installed in GM cars of the period (Frigidaire was still a GM company at the time and their logo appeared on A/C systems for GM cars into the '70s). Just as good as the Novi units, if not a little better, and parts are slightly easier to come by since they were GM.

BTW, is it just me, or would this car not look great with Cragars, 215/70 R15 Coopers and a set of lake pipes? [}:)]

http://i21.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/d3/26/7cc7_12.JPG


[img=left]http://members.cox.net/clarknovak/lark.gif[/img=left]

Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com
www.studebakersandiego.com

BobPalma
01-19-2008, 06:09 PM
:) It's just you, Clark...the car would look best if the original rear fender shields were in place and it had a set of the correct-width "wide" whitewalls. Of course, that may be just me! (But the radials on it were probably cheaper...and being in the midwest, the original fender shields might no longer fit bondoed rear quarter panel openings...;)[}:)])

I'm looking at the air conditioning system photographs in the large 1954 Packard Salesman's Facts Book, and that does appear to be a correct "factory air" unit in the e-bay offering, as stated. [8D] BP

BobPalma
01-19-2008, 06:09 PM
:) It's just you, Clark...the car would look best if the original rear fender shields were in place and it had a set of the correct-width "wide" whitewalls. Of course, that may be just me! (But the radials on it were probably cheaper...and being in the midwest, the original fender shields might no longer fit bondoed rear quarter panel openings...;)[}:)])

I'm looking at the air conditioning system photographs in the large 1954 Packard Salesman's Facts Book, and that does appear to be a correct "factory air" unit in the e-bay offering, as stated. [8D] BP

Mr. Bill
01-19-2008, 06:48 PM
Ok, so the Packard system does not have the plastic tubes or overhead vents for ducting the cool air.

What do the discharge vents look like? I can't tell from the pictures of this particular car, although I see what looks like a rear speaker on the package shelf.

These early a/c units fascinate me

Bill Sapp
Hamlet, NC

Mr. Bill
01-19-2008, 06:48 PM
Ok, so the Packard system does not have the plastic tubes or overhead vents for ducting the cool air.

What do the discharge vents look like? I can't tell from the pictures of this particular car, although I see what looks like a rear speaker on the package shelf.

These early a/c units fascinate me

Bill Sapp
Hamlet, NC

8E45E
01-19-2008, 07:49 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Bill
These early a/c units fascinate me



There was a rather interesting 3-way comparison of a 1954 Cadillac, a Lincoln, and a Chryler Imperial equipped with factory air conditioning in Special Interest Autos magazine a number of years ago. They mentioned they did not include a Packard as it was basically the same Frigidaire unit as Cadillac, less the transparent tubes on the rear package shelf.

Craig

8E45E
01-19-2008, 07:49 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Bill
These early a/c units fascinate me



There was a rather interesting 3-way comparison of a 1954 Cadillac, a Lincoln, and a Chryler Imperial equipped with factory air conditioning in Special Interest Autos magazine a number of years ago. They mentioned they did not include a Packard as it was basically the same Frigidaire unit as Cadillac, less the transparent tubes on the rear package shelf.

Craig

Guido
01-19-2008, 08:54 PM
I thought that I had pictures of those ducts from some of Roger Hill's cars, but I do not have any close up shots that reveal the details. Oh Leonard????

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/62/562/2/21/69/2353221690097493054hwathP_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/60/460/3/91/1/2433391010097493054nAMBKh_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/24/565/2/49/65/2603249650097493054XvpTUI_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/64/564/6/89/77/2752689770097493054skXzAT_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/24/565/5/22/8/2609522080097493054ZNRJeA_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/69/169/4/66/56/2729466560097493054oBZsXT_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

See pictures here: http://community.webshots.com/user/GuidoSalvage

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
01-19-2008, 08:54 PM
I thought that I had pictures of those ducts from some of Roger Hill's cars, but I do not have any close up shots that reveal the details. Oh Leonard????

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/62/562/2/21/69/2353221690097493054hwathP_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/60/460/3/91/1/2433391010097493054nAMBKh_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/24/565/2/49/65/2603249650097493054XvpTUI_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/64/564/6/89/77/2752689770097493054skXzAT_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/24/565/5/22/8/2609522080097493054ZNRJeA_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/69/169/4/66/56/2729466560097493054oBZsXT_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

See pictures here: http://community.webshots.com/user/GuidoSalvage

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

BobPalma
01-19-2008, 09:03 PM
:) 'Really can't tell for sure in the Salesman's Guide, but they really look like large speaker grilles with coarse cross-hatching. No clear plastic tubes.

Here's an old joke in case you hadn't heard it:

As you know, Packard is credited with developing and marketing the first automotive air conditioning system, introduced before WWII. What is not generally known, however, is this: The Society of Automotive Engineers wanted to honor the two Packard engineers who did most of the development work on the system. They agreed to do so by henceforth placing their names on the control panel of every automotive air conditioning unit thereafter.

The men's names were MAX and NORM. [:0][:0] :D:D BP

BobPalma
01-19-2008, 09:03 PM
:) 'Really can't tell for sure in the Salesman's Guide, but they really look like large speaker grilles with coarse cross-hatching. No clear plastic tubes.

Here's an old joke in case you hadn't heard it:

As you know, Packard is credited with developing and marketing the first automotive air conditioning system, introduced before WWII. What is not generally known, however, is this: The Society of Automotive Engineers wanted to honor the two Packard engineers who did most of the development work on the system. They agreed to do so by henceforth placing their names on the control panel of every automotive air conditioning unit thereafter.

The men's names were MAX and NORM. [:0][:0] :D:D BP

64V-K7
01-20-2008, 07:35 AM
Here's a paper on early Auto A/C

http://www.studebaker-info.org/tech/aircon/ashrae.pdf

It shows a phantom view of the Packard unit..

Bob Johnstone
http://www.studebaker-info.org/7168422/sig2.jpg

64V-K7
01-20-2008, 07:35 AM
Here's a paper on early Auto A/C

http://www.studebaker-info.org/tech/aircon/ashrae.pdf

It shows a phantom view of the Packard unit..

Bob Johnstone
http://www.studebaker-info.org/7168422/sig2.jpg

lstude
01-20-2008, 02:11 PM
quote:I thought that I had pictures of those ducts from some of Roger Hill's cars, but I do not have any close up shots that reveal the details. Oh Leonard????


I don't have pictures of Roger Hill's car, but I do dave pictures of Bob Powell's 54 Packard.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/Bobs54PackardAirconditioner.jpg

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/Bobs54PackardAirvents.jpg

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/Bobs54PackardAircontrols.jpg

The buttons just above the steering column are for the A/C.


Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/MeatSouthBendsm1.jpg

lstude
01-20-2008, 02:11 PM
quote:I thought that I had pictures of those ducts from some of Roger Hill's cars, but I do not have any close up shots that reveal the details. Oh Leonard????


I don't have pictures of Roger Hill's car, but I do dave pictures of Bob Powell's 54 Packard.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/Bobs54PackardAirconditioner.jpg

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/Bobs54PackardAirvents.jpg

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/Bobs54PackardAircontrols.jpg

The buttons just above the steering column are for the A/C.


Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/MeatSouthBendsm1.jpg

BobPalma
01-20-2008, 02:17 PM
:) Leonard strikes again! :D BP

BobPalma
01-20-2008, 02:17 PM
:) Leonard strikes again! :D BP

Mr. Bill
01-21-2008, 08:35 AM
Leonard, thanks for posting those pictures. Is that a 54 Mayfair Hardtop? I see it has power windows and a host of other goodies as well. I wonder what the history is on that car.

From the pictures, I see it has the plastic ducting tubes. Perhaps the tubes were a delete option?? It also appears the tubes swivel in their housing. Am I correct on this?

Bill Sapp
Hamlet, NC

Mr. Bill
01-21-2008, 08:35 AM
Leonard, thanks for posting those pictures. Is that a 54 Mayfair Hardtop? I see it has power windows and a host of other goodies as well. I wonder what the history is on that car.

From the pictures, I see it has the plastic ducting tubes. Perhaps the tubes were a delete option?? It also appears the tubes swivel in their housing. Am I correct on this?

Bill Sapp
Hamlet, NC

lstude
01-21-2008, 12:30 PM
Yes Bill, that is a Mayfair hardtop. It belongs to Bob Powell who is a Packard collector near Richmond and also an appraiser. If you email me, I can give you his email address. I don't know the history of the car.

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/MeatSouthBendsm1.jpg

lstude
01-21-2008, 12:30 PM
Yes Bill, that is a Mayfair hardtop. It belongs to Bob Powell who is a Packard collector near Richmond and also an appraiser. If you email me, I can give you his email address. I don't know the history of the car.

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/MeatSouthBendsm1.jpg