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truckguy
08-25-2017, 06:55 PM
Does anyone have a transmission with overdrive they would like to sell? I would like to attach it to my 1950 or 1951 Champion engine. This is a car engine. Thanks!

jclary
08-25-2017, 07:05 PM
You need to let us know if you need it for a truck or car. I believe there is a difference in the application. Good luck finding one, they should be available, it just takes patience.

Bullet
08-25-2017, 07:23 PM
Someone just posted several for sale on the swap page.

Mark

truckguy
08-25-2017, 07:25 PM
I didn't know that. The engine is a car engine. I also went back to the original post and indicated that it is a car engine.

truckguy
08-25-2017, 07:30 PM
Mark, please help me out. How do I access the swap page? Thanks!

swvalcon
08-25-2017, 07:59 PM
Truck guy. Is it for a six or is it for a v8? I have a three speed out of a 58 sliver hawk with a six. Car only had 30,000 actual miles on it when trans was pulled. I'am also in MN. Sell cheap.

truckguy
08-25-2017, 08:04 PM
swvalccon. I'd love to buy it but I need a six volt overdrive. I assume yours is a 12 volt. Yes, the Champion engine is the small six.

Bullet
08-25-2017, 11:23 PM
Studebakerswap.com is the URL I use. The transmission listed are in PA.

Mark

thunderations
08-25-2017, 11:46 PM
I have an OD trans in Phoenix from a 50 Champion. Don't have a lot of info on it due to the car had no engine when I got it, but I think all of the wiring, brackets and switches, etc are still in the car also. The bell housing is on it too, if needed, but would need to be indexed to your engine.
Make a decent offer and I can get it loaded on a Greyhound headed towards you.

StudeRich
08-26-2017, 12:08 AM
To put a T-96 3 Speed Overdrive Car Trans. in a Truck you still must have a SHORT Tail Trans. so 1958 and Newer one will not work, it must be From a '47 to '57 Champion.

You will also need a TRUCK Clutch housing to install it in a Truck. If it is not Factory fitted original to the Engine block, it will have to be "Dialed IN" to the centerline of the Crankshaft.

Of the Three Electrical components on the O.D. Trans. only the Solenoid cares about the Voltage, so you can swap it with a 6 Volt one if you find a '56 or 57 Trans. for 12 Volt.
You will need the Kickdown Switch, the Shift Cable, the Wire Harness and on some Older setups, also the Relay. Oh and probably a Shorter Front Driveshaft.

altair
08-26-2017, 11:48 AM
I was looking at a couple of three speed transmissions that I have and one has the rear mounting holes drilled and tapped on the bottom of the housing and the other just has the raised casting and not drilled and tapped, however could be re-machined to fit. I don't know anything about the history and what fits what. I did scrap a 53/54 truck some years ago and one of the transmissions may be from it.

truckguy
08-26-2017, 12:32 PM
Bill Heiker (https://www.facebook.com/bill.heiker?fref=gc) I have just been given a T86E -1 transmission. That is a truck transmission which will bolt up to the 1950 Champion car engine I have. I also inspected a 55 truck which also has a car Champion engine. The engine is a 1953. The 1955 truck has a T86E-1A transmission. The overdrive has R10 on the side. I don't know if R10 is the model number or what. I now know that I need at the very least, a compatible overdrive. If you have a T86E-1 transmission attached to an overdrive and know it is all in good working condition, I might be willing to take it. If not, I can make do with just the overdrive. I now know what I need so everyone can check to see if what I need is what you have. Please let me know. Thanks!

thunderations
08-26-2017, 01:22 PM
Mine is definitely NOT a truck transmission, so may not be what you need or want. Ratios might be better for driving then a truck trans, but might need some drive line modifications to work.

lelshaddai
08-26-2017, 01:29 PM
I have a t86e-1a transmission that came out of a 58 pickup. It was attached to a Hawk V8. It has the short shaft.
Jim

RadioRoy
08-26-2017, 02:22 PM
The 50-51 Champion car takes a T-96 transmission and overdrive. They are the same from 47-55. The 56-57 is the same mechanically, but has a 12 volt solenoid on it.

StudeRich
08-26-2017, 02:49 PM
I have a t86e-1a transmission that came out of a 58 pickup. It was attached to a Hawk V8. It has the short shaft.
Jim

A T-86 Case indicates a 6 Bolt Top Cover, Med. Duty; Car V8, Truck Commander Six or Truck V8 Trans., NOT even similar to a Light duty T-96 4 Bolt Top Cover for a Small Champion 170 Six.

All Standard Duty (Non T-85) Overdrives are marked Borg Warner "R-10", both short tail and long.

You cannot just BOLT an Overdrive onto a Standard Trans. or Long to short Tail, MANY internal Parts have to be changed including the Main Case.

truckguy
08-26-2017, 03:39 PM
All this is getting a bit confusing for me. Let me change my request to state that I would like to buy a T86 E 1A transmission with the original overdrive attached. That way I will know that the two are compatible. I know the trans will bolt onto my 1950 Champion car engine.

StudeRich
08-26-2017, 03:44 PM
It will bolt on, but it will NOT install in a TRUCK without a TRUCK clutch housing due to MAJOR Engine Mount (Insulators) and Engine Mount Bracket differences making a Car Housing a NO Fit!

Please carefully READ Post # 10 Again.

RadioRoy
08-26-2017, 04:26 PM
All this is getting a bit confusing for me. Let me change my request to state that I would like to buy a T86 E 1A transmission with the original overdrive attached. That way I will know that the two are compatible. I know the trans will bolt onto my 1950 Champion car engine.

What is the VEHICLE that you have? Is it a car, or is it a truck? That information should eliminate a lot of the confusion from this discussion.

truckguy
08-26-2017, 05:29 PM
The vehicle is a 53 2R5 and the engine is a car 1950 Champion. The engine has been in the truck for a few years and I've driven it so I know the bellhousing works. Currently the truck does not have an overdrive unit and I want to convert it to overdrive.

truckguy
08-26-2017, 05:31 PM
StudeRich. yes, I do have the truck bellhousing on the engine. I've been driving the truck with the car Champion engine but without OD.

RadioRoy
08-26-2017, 07:26 PM
This is a case where more specifics in the original post would have made subsequent responses make more sense.

It looks like you need a T-90 truck transmission. It looks like a V-8 car T-86, but it has a different input shaft from the car application and straight cut first gears. The case says T-86 on it.

Here's some more information/discussion that another poster had on the same subject. Check out the pictures in post 14.

http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?102098-Overdrive-Transmission-for-1949-2R5

1953champcoupe
08-26-2017, 07:51 PM
I've got a Champion six with OD transmission sitting on the floor in my garage, it came out of a 53 Starlight coupe. The only down side I live in Council Bluffs Ia (adjacent to Omaha NE) not sure where you are in Minnesota. I'd make you a good deal.

RadioRoy
08-26-2017, 08:11 PM
I've got a Champion six with OD transmission sitting on the floor in my garage, it came out of a 53 Starlight coupe. The only down side I live in Council Bluffs Ia (adjacent to Omaha NE) not sure where you are in Minnesota. I'd make you a good deal.

Since his application is for a truck, the car T-96 that you have will not fit. But somebody else was looking for a Champion six for a car, and maybe the overdrive transmission, too.

http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?102154-Wanted-flathead-6-for-52-Champion&p=1068467#post1068467

truckguy
08-26-2017, 09:12 PM
My apologies for all the confusion. I don't know anything about car vs truck transmissions etc. I am quite certain that I need a T86E-1A trans with an R10 overdrive. Does anyone have that? Thanks!

lelshaddai
08-26-2017, 11:50 PM
That is what this is. It is a t86e-1a It came out of a 58 truck. It has the truck mounts.
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swvalcon
08-27-2017, 09:20 AM
If all else fails find a gear venders overdrive unit that bolts to the rear end and use the trans that you have.