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Commander Eddie
08-11-2017, 09:59 AM
The new clutch on my '61 Champ began chattering and got progressively worse so I took it to my favorite repair shop in town which had done the clutch replacement. I went by there a few days later to check on progress and the owner said they had sent the clutch and pressure plate back to the outfit in Portland that did the clutch work in the first place. In the meantime they had discovered the truck had a pretty big hole in the exhaust pipe a few inches below the manifold which needed to be repaired. Fortunately their is a good independent muffler shop right next door and they could move the truck over to them when they got the clutch and transmission re-installed. All well and good.
I finally picked up the truck a couple of days ago and was pleased how much quieter the exhaust note was and the clutch worked even better than when I had the new clutch put in before. As I drove away, however, I noticed the speedometer was not working. I realized they had failed to reconnect it to the transmission. When I got home I looked under the truck and saw that the cable was hanging less than an inch from the ground. When I examined the end of it I saw that it had hit the ground and has a bit scuffed. As I looked at it I asked myself "How did they miss that? When the truck was on the rack getting the clutch work done it had to have been hanging right in their face. When they moved the truck to the muffler shop it must have still been hanging there yet the exhaust mechanic did not say anything to the mechanics next door, or just hook it up himself. It was way too obvious to miss.
I think I will have some fun with this when I take the truck back to have the cable reconnected.

54stude
08-11-2017, 10:08 AM
I am sure they tucked the cable up out of the way, and it was easy to miss hooking back up. It probably did not drop down until your drive home.

jclary
08-11-2017, 10:24 AM
... As I drove away:confused:, however, I noticed the speedometer was not working.:( I realized they had failed to reconnect it to the transmission.:oops: When I got home:confused::confused::confused: ...

Not trying to be an ass to you (but some of my traits are natural:QQ:) but by your own words, there is enough negligence to go around.:rolleyes:

Unless they had closed up and escaped their parking lot before you exited their driveway...as soon as you NOTICED...the "When I got home..." part of the above quote should not have happened until after they had been notified and corrected their error.:p;)

Commander Eddie
08-11-2017, 11:14 AM
John,
They were closing as I left and I did not notice the speedometer was not working until I was some distance away. I actually stopped and called the shop on the phone to see if someone was still there but no one answered.
I left some of the details out of the story to keep it short.

jackb
08-11-2017, 11:23 AM
were all the rotating parts accounted for ?

Commander Eddie
08-11-2017, 11:28 AM
were all the rotating parts accounted for ?
It looked intact and I think if the cable had dropped out I would have heard it. I'll know this afternoon when I take the truck back to the shop to have it reconnected. I don't think the damage to the end of the cable housing was too badly hurt by touching the ground while the truck was moving. Just a little scuffing.

jclary
08-11-2017, 11:52 AM
John,
They were closing as I left and I did not notice the speedometer was not working until I was some distance away. I actually stopped and called the shop on the phone to see if someone was still there but no one answered.
I left some of the details out of the story to keep it short.

Thank Ed...that 'xplains that! I was hoping you were tough skinned enough for me to rib you ...(couldn't resist picking such "low hanging fruit.";)) Depending on the design, some of these speedometer cables can slither out the bottom of the housing. If yours stayed in, you are fortunate indeed.:)

StudeRich
08-11-2017, 12:53 PM
One much BIGGER problem I see here though. The Speedometer Pinion Gear would have been hanging on the end of the Cable unless they stored it somewhere, so it may be GONE! :eek: :ohmy:


I guess this must be one of the reasons that I very rarely leave any of my Studes. out of my sight.

52-fan
08-11-2017, 01:36 PM
I gave up having anyone fix anything I could fix myself. Even good places have irresponsible help come and go. Simple jobs are often given to new guys who don't really have a clue.

mbstude
08-11-2017, 08:58 PM
I am sure they tucked the cable up out of the way, and it was easy to miss hooking back up. It probably did not drop down until your drive home.

That's what it sounds like to me, too. I've done the same thing; put the speedo cable up on the frame somewhere and forgotten about it until you go for a drive.

Like Rich says, good chance the pinion gear is on the road somewhere since it slips into the end of the cable housing and nothing really holds it in.

Commander Eddie
08-12-2017, 02:23 PM
One much BIGGER problem I see here though. The Speedometer Pinion Gear would have been hanging on the end of the Cable unless they stored it somewhere, so it may be GONE! :eek: :ohmy:


I guess this must be one of the reasons that I very rarely leave any of my Studes. out of my sight.
Yup! the pinion gear was missing but the cable stayed in place.
Now I am looking for a pinion gear for a 1961 Champ truck with a V8 and 3-speed OD transmission and 427 rear diff gear. The shop said they would pay for it. I am bummed though.

StudeRich
08-12-2017, 05:47 PM
You need a 520087 Pinion Gear for a E7 (V8 1/2 Ton) with 3 Speed Overdrive (T-89) with 4 Ply. 7.10X15 Tires, and 4.27 Axle Ratio.

This one is NLA & rare, and worth every bit of $50.00 and they NEED to Pay up! :mad:

These would be one size oversize, from the Standard 6.70X15 Car Tires, also Car 4 Ply Tires.
You can look up the conversion to modern radial tires on a Tire Website to get the Diameter in "P" Radials to match the 7.10X15 Bias Ply very commonly on Champ 1/2 Tons.

Commander Eddie
08-12-2017, 05:50 PM
You need a 520087 Pinion Gear for a E7 (V8 1/2 Ton) with 3 Speed Overdrive (T-89) with 4 Ply. 7.10X15 Tires, and 4.27 Axle Ratio.

This one is NLA & rare, and worth every bit of $50.00 and they NEED to Pay up! :mad:

These would be one size oversize, from the Standard 6.70X15 Car Tires, also Car 4 Ply Tires.
You can look up the conversion to modern radial tires on a Tire Website to get the Diameter in "P" Radials to match the 7.10X15 Bias Ply very commonly on Champ 1/2 Tons.
My truck has 16" wheels.

StudeRich
08-12-2017, 05:52 PM
The 16's are optional and the Pinion will be listed in the Parts Catalog Pinion Chart, probably even RARER!

mbstude
08-12-2017, 06:22 PM
The 16's are optional and the Pinion will be listed in the Parts Catalog Pinion Chart, probably even RARER!

Looking at the chart, it seems that all 1/2 ton trucks with a 3 speed OD trans with a 4.27 rear, use a 520087 pinion gear. Regardless of wheel and tire size.

Ed, we should have an NOS one (Stephen Allen's).

62champ
08-12-2017, 08:00 PM
How much gear oil did you loose? It isn't at the bottom of the transmission, but it has a gasket on the outer housing for a reason...

Commander Eddie
08-12-2017, 08:29 PM
Not enough gear oil loss to warrant topping it up. I did not go far.
mbstude, I'll call you on monday for the pinion gear. Glad you have one.
Thanks.

BILT4ME
08-14-2017, 12:11 PM
Like StudeRich stated, I don;t like other places working on my cars and when they do, I don't like them out of my sight.

I take NOTHING for granted and assume they screwed up SOMETHING.

A shop I had thought was reputable had a 1969 Camaro (all numbers matching 396 4 speed) in for a clutch replacement. They let their cheap labor work on it and didn't double check his work. They were test driving it when one of the pressure plate bolts came loose, as busted THROUGH the aluminum bell housing (also specific to THAT car) and blew through the floor board to embed itself in the bottom of the dash in the passenger side footwell.

That was a VERY stupid mistake on their part and VERY expensive. The kid was let go the same day and they spent at least another month locating correct parts and having body work and repairs done up to par.

Just last month, I had my minivan in the dealership for some repairs. I noticed this weekend that I am now missing 4 of the 6 screws that hold on the cowl piece in front of the windshield. Now I need to scrutinize the work a bit more and take it back to them to complain........

Mrs K Corbin
08-15-2017, 07:42 AM
You got an old pair of glasses? take them to the mechanics and ask if they need to borrow them? LOL

Commander Eddie
08-15-2017, 09:47 AM
You got an old pair of glasses? take them to the mechanics and ask if they need to borrow them? LOL
They were really good about it when I went there and told them what happened. No excuses. Just a sincere apology and an offer to pay for the lost pinion gear. They really are a good group of mechanics there who have always done a good job and been reasonably priced. I think they were sufficiently embarrassed by this. I suspect they will be EXTRA careful in the future. They don't want to ruin their reputation or their relationship with me. I did get a good chuckle out of it.