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E. Davis
07-23-2017, 03:35 PM
Refresh my memory please. What years were the 2nd gear start autos used in Studebakers and Fords?

bezhawk
07-23-2017, 05:11 PM
56-66. But with a disclaimer, sixes used a different version, and had 1st gear start. This is the Borg Warner transmission. The Detroit Gear used a 2nd gear start except champions, and the 55 DG 250 version.
Ford? That is brand X

E. Davis
07-23-2017, 11:22 PM
Thanx Bez. The reason I mentioned Ford was because I thought Stude and Ford both used the same tranny only changing the names from Fordomatic to Flightomatic . Maybe I was mistaken.

bezhawk
07-23-2017, 11:37 PM
There a subtle differences, and not all the parts are interchangeable. Different input shafts, valve bodies, splines shaft sizes, throttle pressure regulation, etc. But parts can be swapped around if you know whats what.

thunderations
07-24-2017, 12:56 AM
I think Ford stopped using the Green Dot trans around 1968. I have a 1966 C4 with a 69 valve body and it shifts 1-2-3. Originally it took off in 2ND.

Ira
09-30-2017, 07:02 PM
my trans grinds getting into first when using 100% throttle from start to get into low gear rather than starting in second, but not if put directly into low in 60 stude, no problems there? is this a linkage adjust issue or???

Corvanti
09-30-2017, 08:06 PM
56-66. But with a disclaimer, sixes used a different version, and had 1st gear start. This is the Borg Warner transmission. The Detroit Gear used a 2nd gear start except champions, and the 55 DG 250 version.
Ford? That is brand X

my '51 Champion has a DG150 trans that starts in 2nd gear when in drive. is that not the correct transmission?

Ron Dame
10-01-2017, 09:52 AM
my trans grinds getting into first when using 100% throttle from start to get into low gear rather than starting in second, but not if put directly into low in 60 stude, no problems there? is this a linkage adjust issue or???

The gears don't engage and disengage like a manual trans, probably what you are hearing is the pressure regulator in the trans, which can make a sort of grinding noise if the adjustment of the throttle pressure rod is misadjusted. Check your shop manual for the adjustment process, its been a cvery long time since I've done it , but it's not too difficult.

JoeHall
10-01-2017, 10:29 AM
my trans grinds getting into first when using 100% throttle from start to get into low gear rather than starting in second, but not if put directly into low in 60 stude, no problems there? is this a linkage adjust issue or???

Is yours an automatic, or a stick? Sounds like you are describing a stick.

rockne10
10-01-2017, 01:06 PM
my '51 Champion has a DG150 trans that starts in 2nd gear when in drive. is that not the correct transmission?It is correct. The DG transmissions (Detroit Gear) were first offered in Studebakers in 1950, with the DG200 in the Commander and the DG150 in the Champion. Both are second gear start unless selected to Low. I freely use the first gear start then shift to drive. In the Commander it is possible to spin the tire in first and get a chirp in to second, achieving 72mph before hitting third. Not quite possible in the Champion.

StudeRich
10-01-2017, 04:24 PM
Usually, you are pretty much "Thrashing" an Automatic, doing FULL THROTTLE Low Gear starts in Drive! :(

So I hope you are not doing this often!

rockne10
10-01-2017, 07:47 PM
... I hope you are not doing this often!Just often enough to keep it exercised. ;) Wouldn't want it to get lazy or be babied. :)

StudeRich
10-03-2017, 02:44 AM
Brad YOUR method is the one I have been using for years and does no major harm, but the Full Throttle start in Drive with the automatic Low gear downshift is pretty harsh. :mad:

bezhawk
10-03-2017, 08:47 AM
The low gear start must have begun with 1953 Champions. I do know when the DG250M was introduced for 55, that prior years already had low gear start

rockne10
10-03-2017, 04:09 PM
I took a transmission out of a '61 Lark VIII 259. It was also 2nd gear start. I wonder if that's what was installed because of the Dana 27 behind the V-8? And was it only that year?

StudeRich
10-03-2017, 06:58 PM
I took a transmission out of a '61 Lark VIII 259. It was also 2nd gear start. I wonder if that's what was installed because of the Dana 27 behind the V-8? And was it only that year?

Brad ya got me confused on that one. :confused: Quote: "I wonder if that's what was installed?"

IN WHAT?

I don't know if this will help but here goes. >
All V8 Stude. CARS have 2nd. Gear Start Automatics including Power Shifts which includes Avantis. We are mostly talking Borg Warner's here not Detroit Gear, but the exception if included, would be the '55 V8's.

The Differentials were Model 23 on many 6's AND 1959 Lark & Hawk VIII's with 259's, In 1960 to 1964 259's had Model 27's except V8 Wagons, Police/Taxi and C & K Models which used 44's.

sals54
10-03-2017, 07:16 PM
Brad YOUR method is the one I have been using for years and does no major harm, but the Full Throttle start in Drive with the automatic Low gear downshift is pretty harsh. :mad:

Ditto on this method. This is how I've always driven the automatics when any sort of acceleration is required.
Also, I always manually shift the Avanti automatics which makes them much more fun to drive.