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nels
06-25-2017, 07:36 AM
I bought a 63 GT yesterday that is very solid but definitely needs floor pans. Reproductions is the easy way out but I'm uncertain of their fit, ease of installation and how they look once installed. Any first hand experience out there you might want to share? Also, does anyone have a parts car with good floors or a set they never got around installing that might be for sale?

clarkwd
06-25-2017, 07:51 AM
I have installed Classic floor pans, rockers and body braces in three cars and found them to be a relatively good fit. Be sure to use the little piece that goes into the bottom of the A post. When I had a problem with Classic I was satisfied with the service. I have also installed floors from a parts car another car that was not a Studebaker and would rather use the repops.
Bill

1954khardtop
06-25-2017, 07:53 AM
Classic Enterprises makes the floor pans for your car. They also make the body braces and torque boxes that support the floor. They advertise in Turning Wheels, and a quick internet search will find them.
Like Bill says they may require a little tweaking, but you'll be way ahead of starting with a flat sheet of steel.

64V-K7
06-25-2017, 08:53 AM
Classic does a great job of giving us a starting point for a decent repair. You may have to 'massage' the floor piece, as it is flat and has to be curved by hand, to fit properly. I found that their products are well made and some pieces are a heavier gauge than factory. There is always Leroy Carey , near Richmond, VA who makes panels and does the curving for you.

Colgate Studebaker
06-25-2017, 09:43 AM
I've gotten several pieces for my '64 GT from Classic Ent. and have had very good luck with them. Had to "curve" the trunk floor pans (2 halves that weld together in the middle, not visible when finished) which was not all that difficult with patience. I have rocker panels to do yet, and just finished the rear front fender edge (left side) and vent door opening. I've never door metal replacement before and sure I could have had better outcome, but I've learned a lot and the more I do the better it turns out. As I said, patience is key and measure, measure, measure, then check alignment several times before welding. Good luck, Bill.

bezhawk
06-25-2017, 10:10 AM
If you just replace the floor, and not the braces that support the floor, you are only doing 1/2 the job. A strong floor but weak braces will not make the car any better. The floor will just be floating above the frame without the anchoring tie ins of the sub floor supports. A weak floor ans strong supports are the same problem. The floor ties in the surrounding door posts and hinge pillars. A rust weakened floor will allow the upper rest of the body to settle around the stronger support members. It ALL HAS TO BE strong to tie things together with the frame. Studebakers were built like a weak unibody that couldn't support itself with out an equally weak frame. Together they were fine, but take away the integrity of either, and it doesn't work.

4jc8z
06-25-2017, 10:47 AM
There is always Leroy Carey , near Richmond, VA who makes panels and does the curving for you.

The extra money spent for panels from Leroy Carey is the best investment one could make...

nels
06-25-2017, 11:18 AM
If you just replace the floor, and not the braces that support the floor, you are only doing 1/2 the job. A strong floor but weak braces will not make the car any better. The floor will just be floating above the frame without the anchoring tie ins of the sub floor supports. A weak floor ans strong supports are the same problem. The floor ties in the surrounding door posts and hinge pillars. A rust weakened floor will allow the upper rest of the body to settle around the stronger support members. It ALL HAS TO BE strong to tie things together with the frame. Studebakers were built like a weak unibody that couldn't support itself with out an equally weak frame. Together they were fine, but take away the integrity of either, and it doesn't work.

Bracings etc are great. Has odd rust decay, strictly the floor skin itself.

studefan
06-25-2017, 12:34 PM
Nels, what did you buy? Is this an R1 or R2 Hawk? Any pictures?

wdills
06-25-2017, 02:19 PM
I have used pieces from both. I recommend getting everything you can from Leroy Carey. His stuff fits the best. Get the stuff Leroy doesn't make from Classic Enterprises and modify as needed to fit.

64V-K7
06-25-2017, 03:07 PM
.... Together they were fine, but take away the integrity of either, and it doesn't work.....

Is 't that what engineers, today call "Finite Element analysis"?

nels
06-25-2017, 03:29 PM
The extra money spent for panels from Leroy Carey is the best investment one could make...

Are the panels from Leroy a little wider? From the photos in Classics site, I think they will fall short by a few inches on the drivers side. Mine needs metal all the way to the swing up for the tunnel on that side.

nels
06-25-2017, 03:35 PM
Nels, what did you buy? Is this an R1 or R2 Hawk? Any pictures?

Now why would you suspect any such thing? However, you suspected right. It's an R2 full package car. Looks bad but it is way better. It needs plenty of help but doors shut nice with little or no rust in the doors or fenders. Great frame and torque boxes.

Guido
06-25-2017, 07:14 PM
FYI, Leroy Carey lives in Amelia, VA if you need to contact him. I drove within a couple of miles of his house yesterday on my way to Richmond.

4jc8z
06-25-2017, 08:03 PM
Are the panels from Leroy a little wider? From the photos in Classics site, I think they will fall short by a few inches on the drivers side. Mine needs metal all the way to the swing up for the tunnel on that side.

Leroy's panels are wider - and he will also custom make a set much wider if desired. His will be close to a drop in fit. Classic well, it may be better then a sheet of flat 18ga, but still needs much forming.

nels
06-25-2017, 09:05 PM
Anyone have Leroy's contact info? You can pm me with it.

nels
06-26-2017, 04:34 PM
Anyone have Leroy's contact info? You can pm me with it.

Bumping trying to find Leroy's contact info.

Bordeaux Daytona
06-26-2017, 05:49 PM
Found him doing a google search, hopefully this will work


http://www.studebaker-info.org/rjvs.html#cary

Guido
06-26-2017, 06:48 PM
I sent you a PM last night with the info.

nels
06-26-2017, 08:45 PM
I sent you a PM last night with the info.

I guess it didn't go through. I didn't get anything.

nels
06-26-2017, 09:25 PM
Found him doing a google search, hopefully this will work


http://www.studebaker-info.org/rjvs.html#cary

Thanks. This link worked. I just ordered a pair from Leroy. Seems like a nice guy!

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Found him doing a google search, hopefully this will work


http://www.studebaker-info.org/rjvs.html#cary

Thanks. This link worked. I just ordered a pair from Leroy. Seems like a nice guy!

nels
06-26-2017, 09:29 PM
I sent you a PM last night with the info.

Guido. No need to try to pm again. I was able to make contact with him using the link from Bordeaux Daytona. Thanks for the effort though.

3x2stude
06-28-2017, 11:11 PM
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These are Leroy's floors, extra wide in the back to eliminate the foot wells and the front has the needed roll-ups. Not cheap but well worth the cost. The GT torque boxes, braces and rockers are CE. All seem to play nice together. I even got the seat mounts from CE, (not an advertised separate part and not shown here), and they fit the Carey floor fine. As of late I have always had to call Leroy as he was not doing the computer thing but maybe that has improved. Leroy also makes sweet inner and outer rear tail panels and the door thresholds.

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