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old fart
06-11-2017, 08:57 AM
It amazes me with all the 50-51 cars around that there isn't anyone doing a registry on them . Perhaps someone with one of those cars can clear this question up for me . Who knows maybe even volunteer to take on managing one for the 50 - 51 's .

Old Fart

Guido
06-11-2017, 11:57 AM
I remember Boogle being a board game...I guess I just don't understand the point of all these registries.

mbstude
06-11-2017, 12:04 PM
I guess I just don't understand the point of all these registries.

Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I agree. There seems to be a "registry" for every model Studebaker ever made lately.

I had a few Studes pass through my hands that I added to registries, and have added friend's cars to a few too. I never received anything beneficial in return.

With the exception of the one that Frank Ambrogio keeps for 56J's, I've yet to see a registry that offered anything other than adding names to a list. And what's the point of that?

sasquatch
06-11-2017, 04:06 PM
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I agree. There seems to be a "registry" for every model Studebaker ever made lately.
Yeah, so?

I had a few Studes pass through my hands that I added to registries, and have added friend's cars to a few too. I never received anything beneficial in return.
Do you want to get paid for every vehicle you register?

With the exception of the one that Frank Ambrogio keeps for 56J's, I've yet to see a registry that offered anything other than adding names to a list. And what's the point of that?
Maybe someone is hunting for the Studebaker their dad bought new. Pretty easy to check a registry for it.

Besides, you are not being forced to register your vehicle. And my registries do not show the owners name.

mbstude
06-11-2017, 04:38 PM
Besides, you are not being forced to register your vehicle. And my registries do not show the owners name.

One of the perks I've seen of these registries is to "meet other people that have the same car as you". If there's no name given, then it's just a list of serial numbers?

I'm only trying to learn what the advantage is to having registries for every model Studebaker, and what are the perks of adding my car to one?

old fart
06-11-2017, 05:26 PM
Instead of being nah sayers read the last comments of mbstude and sasquatch . Knowing how many of your car or truck also helps you to determine it's value if you decide to sell it . Another benefit is you get to know others with the same and if you have a problem there are others out there that might be able to help .And if you re-read my post you will see what I meant .Unfortunately there isn't a registry for every year made and that is sad.

Old Fart

tbredehoft
06-11-2017, 06:00 PM
Boggle is a word game, same thing happens to minds occasionally. Boogle is a copyrighted web site.

Guido
06-11-2017, 07:01 PM
The problem is that the people on this forum represent a very small percentage of actual Studebaker owners. So adding a vehicle to a registry on this site isn't going to give you access to a greater base of knowledge than if you just query the Forum members. Just seems like a lot of busybody activity by people that have nothing better to do.

ndynis
06-11-2017, 07:15 PM
I've yet to see a registry that offered anything other than adding names to a list. And what's the point of that? NOTE: Quote taken out of context.

Matt: I just put a 1963 – 1966 Wagonaire Registry up online. I can’t speak to the value of any other registry but here is what I hope the Wagonaire Registry will accomplish.

The Wagonaire has some pretty unique parts and problems. I hope having a place to contact other Wagonaire owners might be helpful. The public version of any Wagonaire registered is limited to as many as 6 pictures submitted by the owner, the VIN, city, state, and country where it is located. The listing also provides for the owners to list the options which their Wagonaire may have.

The options listing feature is important to help owners with like vehicles contact each other about parts or problems. To protect the privacy of owners, anyone wishing to contact one of the owners may submit a request through the registry along with their own email and it will be passed along to the owner of the vehicle they are interested in contacting. That owner may choose to reply or not reply. From there on it is between them.

As the site matures I hope to be able to add a page for Wagonaires and Wagonaire parts wanted/for sale and perhaps a page for questions and answers. But first we need a meaningful number of Wagonaires on the registry.

The site has been up for about a month or so and the response has been less than encouraging. Still, I intend to maintain it and give it time to meet the expectations I have for it. I know that some of the best information I have found in working on my own Wagonaires is from other owners. We are lucky to have great vendors, like the one you work for, but finding some Wagonaire parts can be a real problem. My hope is to help every Wagonaire owner locate the unique information and parts they need.

The registry is probably of no interest or benefit to anyone but a Wagonaire owner but I hope that it will provide some service to them. Time will tell. If the response isn’t great then it will probably be, as you have noted, just a list of Wagonaires. And that will be okay with me as well. I have enjoyed the contact with other owners, both in the United States and other countries. Some I have had some dialog with via email about their car or car history. I hope others might get to enjoy the same through the registry.

Great to have had the chance to meet you in person. Sorry I had to miss the International. I am working on a parts list for you.
Nick

mbstude
06-11-2017, 07:27 PM
Nick, thanks for taking the time to sincerely answer my question. I wasn't trying to be negative, it's just that most of these "registries" end up being one individual's list of names and car serial numbers, and nothing more ever develops from it. It sounds like you're on track to accomplish what Frank A. has done for '56 Golden Hawks; making a resource available for other car owners.

One example of what I'm talking about is Ed Capozzi's (SN60 on the forum) registry of '55 Speedsters. I've personally added 3 cars to his list and as far as I know, he has not published his list anywhere, and doesn't intend to. What good is it doing if he only keeps it to himself?

Thanks for taking the time to reply Nick. Always a pleasure to hear from you.

mbstude
06-11-2017, 07:29 PM
Besides, you are not being forced to register your vehicle. And my registries do not show the owners name.

I just tried looking at your registry, and neither of the links in your signature work. BTW, I did register my '52 2R6 on your registry when I owned it.

BobPalma
06-11-2017, 07:50 PM
:!: Nick: You can add my 1964 Daytona Wagonaire to your Registry if you'd like.

Astra White, blue interior, individually-adjustable front seats. Serial Number: 64V15196. We used a good photograph of its Secret Serial number in a discussion of same to appear in the July 2017 Co-Operator in Turning Wheels.

Best wishes with your efforts, and thanks for expending them. :) :cool: BP

ndynis
06-11-2017, 10:47 PM
Bob: I would love it if you could take the time to check out the registry at: wagonaire.info
Adding the car yourself along with pictures would provide as much more information as you are willing to add to your listing. I read the co-Operator faithfully. Thanks for all your work in it. I'll be looking for that photograph in July.

If I don't see the registration request in a few days I will go ahead and ad the info above. I am trying to find a set of individually-adjustable front seats, which I see you have. for my White Wagonaire right now. The PO had Ford F150 bucket seats installed and they are quite comfortable & have the shoulder strap but I would prefer to go back to original with the split front seats.
Thanks for your interest!
Nick

Scott
06-11-2017, 11:07 PM
For as many cars that still exist for the years you mention, I do not think a registry will be helpful if what you want is to know how many are left. It seems quite possible that for every operable 50 or 51 car there are half a dozen (at least) sitting in a field or garage or parts yard or desert. It would maybe be useful to track some cars over their lifetime, but it wouldn't ever be even remotely comprehensive for the total cars still existing.

old fart
06-12-2017, 09:23 AM
Scott :
You are entitled to your opinion but maybe that is one of the reasons for a registry is to find out how many are still around whether they are in a garage ready for the road or in a field as a cows bum scratching post it doesn't matter to some of us who would like to know . It also has been said before that one owner might have a problem and another owner have a solution so there are uses to registry you just have to think about how it can serve your own needs and interest .

Old Fart

4jc8z
06-12-2017, 09:36 AM
After reading this thread, my comments are thus:

A) Having your car 'registered' in a registry probably won't help with it's value.

B) I honestly doubt that one is going to get a camaraderie from a roster, unless its a very low production 'niche' car.

C) Whilst one can appreciate any effort that one does with anything Studebaker, having so many registries kinda takes the meaning out of the few that are worthwhile to spend labor to host.

Guido
06-12-2017, 11:41 AM
After reading this thread, my comments are thus:

A) Having your car 'registered' in a registry probably won't help with it's value.

B) I honestly doubt that one is going to get a camaraderie from a roster, unless its a very low production 'niche' car.

C) Whilst one can appreciate any effort that one does with anything Studebaker, having so many registries kinda takes the meaning out of the few that are worthwhile to spend labor to host.

I wholeheartedly agree, it is basically a list of vehicles owned by SDC members (and non members) who frequent this forum. I do not see it providing any real value to people and it just clutters up the main page. Perhaps these passionate registers folks need their own subforum where they can register to their heart's content.

thunderations
06-12-2017, 12:07 PM
It's not mandatory, so if you don't like or want to have your information on a registry, just don't do it. Being negative to anything done that might help just one member is hurting the hobby/club. Not every Studebaker owner is on the FORUM, so maybe it should be eliminated too?
I found a rare part for my car through a registry member after 2 years of searching on my own.
Maybe not for everyone, but then, neither were Studebakers. That's why they made brand "X" cars.

jclary
06-12-2017, 12:27 PM
Registries...an obsolete format?



While, from time to time, I get comments like, “you don’t see many of those,” “how many did they make?” “can’t be many of those left.” etc., having an updated registry that could offer a credible answer, could be of benefit. However, for the registries to have credible data, they would need to be constantly updated, and would need broad participation. Neither has happened with any reliability.


In my opinion, there is already a database with broad participation, and constantly updated. That is the dues paying SDC membership. Think of it, when registering, you are asked to list your vehicles, and given the option to contribute additional info, such as condition, etc. There was a time when this was entirely a manual process. Now, with computerized data, it should be possible to develop a database that could serve multiple functions beyond a mere list of members, and tracking dates for renewal.


With appropriate software, protections, and permissions, rules for participation, etc., any member, within the set up rules, should be able to search, and find, numbers of registered vehicles within our membership and associated information permitted by the owner. I’m not (by a long shot) a computer expert. So, I’m unaware of how much effort, or expense, setting up this “on line” feature would entail, but I do know it can be done.


I also know the efforts at voluntary, independent, registries are an exercise in futility. Only as reliable as the devotion of the volunteer maintaining them, and we know, devotion/enthusiasm, comes and goes. Included in the voluntary effort, is a requirement for some “salesmanship,” which means convincing prospective registrants there is something of value for doing it. Then, there is “getting the word out,” and that is no small task. This forum is great for those who participate, but in view of our overall worldwide SDC membership, participation here is rather small and sporadic.


I think we should look long and hard at making an interactive password protected “Member Only” database that could allow members to use the data (already collected) for “registry” purposes. Properly set up, with owner permission (privacy protection), could alleviate participation anxiety, and also encourage SDC membership by having fellow owners information only available to other members who have agreed to the terms.

tim333
06-12-2017, 12:35 PM
Well said John.

aenthal
06-12-2017, 12:40 PM
Most of the important car registries that I know about cover cars that the original build records have been lost or destroyed.
Studebaker kept their paperwork for what they made (in 1950 and 1951 and other years) so other than a kind of non-club roster, I do not see the point of such a list.
If one wants to know what percent were painted black, the Studebaker Museum (that now has these records) can actually look it up in their data.
It would be far more valuable to make a group effort to donate money (or labor) to computerize these existing records, than to create some kind of roster of what remains.
For that reason I do not see the point of bullet nose registry. We already have one in the original build sheet papers.

old fart
06-12-2017, 02:37 PM
Thunderations :

I couldn't agree with you more . Thank God there are still people like yourself around when there are so many naysayers that can't see through the fog they are trying to create for people like us .

Old Fart

sasquatch
06-12-2017, 04:15 PM
I just tried looking at your registry, and neither of the links in your signature work. BTW, I did register my '52 2R6 on your registry when I owned it.

Thanks for letting me know Matt. The links should be working now, at least temporarily. The sites might be up and down periodically while we try to make a permanent fix. We've been experiencing ongoing problems with Go Daddy's servers.

If anyone has a problem getting to or using either site, please let me know here on this forum or the Truck Talk forum and we will fix it ASAP. I check both forums daily.

Mike Sal
06-13-2017, 01:45 PM
They built so many 1950's that I thought it would be tuff nut to crack for a registry (I've got a '50 champ).

I chose to start a registry for 1966, since it was the last year; they didn't make many; and it didn't appear that the '66 was getting as much attention as it might have deserved. I'm not very computer savvy, so it's just an excel file, but I've tried to pour all the '66 "stuff" into the tabs as possible.

I know there are people out there who don't really want to know "how many are left", as it helps them "believe" that their car is rare and therefore more valuable. However, most people feel a registry helps to add to the "family experience" of people with similar cars. In my list I show the owner's name and the state they live in, but no contact information.
Mike Sal

old fart
06-13-2017, 07:43 PM
Hi Was wondering when you started the registry and for what model of 66 . The only registries listed for 1966 are the Cruisers . Daytona Sports Sedans and they are included in the wagonaire registry . Could you please email me as soon as you can I would like to talk to you about it . thank you .

Old fart Terry not4u@nlis.ca

Mike Sal
06-14-2017, 10:57 AM
Terry, sent you a PM. I started this a few years ago & only work on it when I can find time. My list if for all non-Avanti passenger cars built in '66.
Mike Sal