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Studebaker Wheel
01-12-2008, 03:44 PM
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee285/studeq/57pres2drs.jpg?t=1200173792
I noted a while back some discussion re the relative scarcity of the 1957 President 2 door. I thought some readers might like to see the above photo. Comments welcome. Yes, they are all Presidents.

Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

Studebaker Wheel
01-12-2008, 03:48 PM
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee285/studeq/57pres2drscopy.jpg?t=1200174400

Close up for the skeptics.

Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

Studebaker Wheel
01-12-2008, 03:48 PM
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee285/studeq/57pres2drscopy.jpg?t=1200174400

Close up for the skeptics.

Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

raprice
01-12-2008, 03:52 PM
Boy, I never would have thought that they were Presidents. They are too sparsely trimmed. No bright metal trim around the windshield and very little trim along the side.
Rog

'59 Lark VI Regal Hardtop

raprice
01-12-2008, 03:52 PM
Boy, I never would have thought that they were Presidents. They are too sparsely trimmed. No bright metal trim around the windshield and very little trim along the side.
Rog

'59 Lark VI Regal Hardtop

StudeRich
01-12-2008, 03:52 PM
Wow that is a rare photo Richard! Obviously a fleet order, and all Police cars I would guess, with the "Custom" 57H-F2 trim level, black tires and paint and no wheelcovers that would make sense!

It looks like 7 of them, I wonder if they built that many of the Police specials with the 275 HP Golden Hawk Engine? If they did, that could be them!

I can't remember if they were 2 or 4dr. Presidents now.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
01-12-2008, 03:52 PM
Wow that is a rare photo Richard! Obviously a fleet order, and all Police cars I would guess, with the "Custom" 57H-F2 trim level, black tires and paint and no wheelcovers that would make sense!

It looks like 7 of them, I wonder if they built that many of the Police specials with the 275 HP Golden Hawk Engine? If they did, that could be them!

I can't remember if they were 2 or 4dr. Presidents now.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

JDP
01-12-2008, 04:04 PM
Be fun to have one of those judged today.:)

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
01-12-2008, 04:04 PM
Be fun to have one of those judged today.:)

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

Guido
01-12-2008, 04:18 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich
and all Police cars I would guess Not being old enough to remember, would there have been 2 door police cars? Seems that even back then you would have wanted to separate yourself from the bad guys.

Personally, I would like to find one of the tractor trailer rigs to bring my vehicles to a show. :D

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
01-12-2008, 04:18 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich
and all Police cars I would guess Not being old enough to remember, would there have been 2 door police cars? Seems that even back then you would have wanted to separate yourself from the bad guys.

Personally, I would like to find one of the tractor trailer rigs to bring my vehicles to a show. :D

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/62/562/2/21/69/2353221690097493054hwathP_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/60/460/3/91/1/2433391010097493054nAMBKh_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/24/565/2/49/65/2603249650097493054XvpTUI_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/64/564/6/89/77/2752689770097493054skXzAT_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/24/565/5/22/8/2609522080097493054ZNRJeA_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/69/169/4/66/56/2729466560097493054oBZsXT_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

StudeRich
01-12-2008, 04:25 PM
Rog; if you compare a President '57 "W" Body 4 dr. Sedan to a Commander or Champion (most are trim level 4 (Deluxe) with the full length mouldings or a 2dr. you will see that the only difference is the crossed flags and the Nameplate! The model "B" Commander or "H" President really referred to the Engine, which did include other MECHANICAL only upgrades! Nothing else changed inside or out!

These are F2 cheapies, available in Champion & Commander also.


quote:Originally posted by raprice

Boy, I never would have thought that they were Presidents.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
01-12-2008, 04:25 PM
Rog; if you compare a President '57 "W" Body 4 dr. Sedan to a Commander or Champion (most are trim level 4 (Deluxe) with the full length mouldings or a 2dr. you will see that the only difference is the crossed flags and the Nameplate! The model "B" Commander or "H" President really referred to the Engine, which did include other MECHANICAL only upgrades! Nothing else changed inside or out!

These are F2 cheapies, available in Champion & Commander also.


quote:Originally posted by raprice

Boy, I never would have thought that they were Presidents.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

bob40
01-12-2008, 04:29 PM
Beautiful looking cars.

bob40
01-12-2008, 04:29 PM
Beautiful looking cars.

56H-Y6
01-12-2008, 04:36 PM
Hi
The "Standard Catalog of Independents" by Krause Publications list both President two door sedans: (62) 57H-F2 Customs and (8) 57H-f4 Deluxes
The 'Historical Footnote' notes "Special Commander Police Cruisers with President 289 V-8 were built. They were available as two-door or four door sedans or station wagon with Custom or Deluxe trim. They were identified as 57H's, so are included in the President production figures"
Fred Fox's 1957 Sedans and Wagons article in Turning Wheels, August 1993, has essentially the same information, including a sidebar about supercharged police cruisers ordered by the Napa California County Sheriff's Department.
I wonder whether S-P management ever considering offering the general public this supercharged police cruiser package as a high performance model to compete for some of that market?
Steve

56H-Y6
01-12-2008, 04:36 PM
Hi
The "Standard Catalog of Independents" by Krause Publications list both President two door sedans: (62) 57H-F2 Customs and (8) 57H-f4 Deluxes
The 'Historical Footnote' notes "Special Commander Police Cruisers with President 289 V-8 were built. They were available as two-door or four door sedans or station wagon with Custom or Deluxe trim. They were identified as 57H's, so are included in the President production figures"
Fred Fox's 1957 Sedans and Wagons article in Turning Wheels, August 1993, has essentially the same information, including a sidebar about supercharged police cruisers ordered by the Napa California County Sheriff's Department.
I wonder whether S-P management ever considering offering the general public this supercharged police cruiser package as a high performance model to compete for some of that market?
Steve

StudeRich
01-12-2008, 04:44 PM
Holy smoke, Steve if there were only 8 President Deluxe 2dr. Sedans built, no wonder in doing the 1957 2dr. Sedan and Wagon registry, my son Dave, (StudeDave57) has only located 2 or three of them! [:0]

Is there a way we can suppress this post from appearing on Bigg's monitor? :D[}:)]

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
01-12-2008, 04:44 PM
Holy smoke, Steve if there were only 8 President Deluxe 2dr. Sedans built, no wonder in doing the 1957 2dr. Sedan and Wagon registry, my son Dave, (StudeDave57) has only located 2 or three of them! [:0]

Is there a way we can suppress this post from appearing on Bigg's monitor? :D[}:)]

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

Mark57
01-12-2008, 05:03 PM
And, the Transtar tractor in the background (right side of pic) must have been a fairly new unit as well.[:p][8D]

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
[img]http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/MrGreenJeans1003b.jpg

Mark57
01-12-2008, 05:03 PM
And, the Transtar tractor in the background (right side of pic) must have been a fairly new unit as well.[:p][8D]

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
[img]http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/MrGreenJeans1003b.jpg

studegary
01-12-2008, 05:22 PM
quote:Originally posted by Guido


quote:Originally posted by StudeRich
and all Police cars I would guess Not being old enough to remember, would there have been 2 door police cars? Seems that even back then you would have wanted to separate yourself from the bad guys.



Two door police cars were not uncommon. In 1961, I was working part time at a used car lot. We bought a town's fleet of used police cars. They were all two door sedans with V8 and standard shift.
I believe that John/JDP owned a two door Studebaker police car not too long ago.

I think that the cars shown are for a police fleet and the crossed flags indicate that the cars have 289s in them.

Studebaker issued a Sales Letter authorizing the supercharged engine and other options for police, taxi and fleet usage. My copy is faded to the point of being almost unreadable, but I believe that it was issued April 25, 1957.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

studegary
01-12-2008, 05:22 PM
quote:Originally posted by Guido


quote:Originally posted by StudeRich
and all Police cars I would guess Not being old enough to remember, would there have been 2 door police cars? Seems that even back then you would have wanted to separate yourself from the bad guys.



Two door police cars were not uncommon. In 1961, I was working part time at a used car lot. We bought a town's fleet of used police cars. They were all two door sedans with V8 and standard shift.
I believe that John/JDP owned a two door Studebaker police car not too long ago.

I think that the cars shown are for a police fleet and the crossed flags indicate that the cars have 289s in them.

Studebaker issued a Sales Letter authorizing the supercharged engine and other options for police, taxi and fleet usage. My copy is faded to the point of being almost unreadable, but I believe that it was issued April 25, 1957.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

mbstude
01-12-2008, 05:33 PM
Mr. Quinn, thanks for posting that picture! I love it!
I'd trade the Orange truck for one of those new, low-trimmed Prez two doors. [^]

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/Scotsman%20pickup/0000_59_truck__avatar_december.jpg

mbstude
01-12-2008, 05:33 PM
Mr. Quinn, thanks for posting that picture! I love it!
I'd trade the Orange truck for one of those new, low-trimmed Prez two doors. [^]

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/Scotsman%20pickup/0000_59_truck__avatar_december.jpg

Studebaker Wheel
01-12-2008, 06:28 PM
As Paul Harvey would say, and now for "the rest of the story."

The first of 40 specially equipped ’57 Studebaker police cars for the State of Maine are ready to be loaded on driveway trucks at Robert R. Walker, Inc., South Bend driveway firm. The cars—specially designed to meet the needs of patrolling modern, high speed highways—will be delivered by three Maine dealerships: Cassidy Service Station, Houlton; Gagnon’s Garage, Sanford and Marden Motor Co., Augusta. All 40 police cars are specially equipped with Sweepstakes 289 V8 engines, Safety-Fin brakes, Twin Traction and Naugahyde upholstery.

Studerich had it right but who would have guessed 40 would be built?! I may post a copy of a Production Order one of these days. Maybe a few still up there in The Pine Tree State, well, a little unlikely I guess, but whom knows?


Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

Studebaker Wheel
01-12-2008, 06:28 PM
As Paul Harvey would say, and now for "the rest of the story."

The first of 40 specially equipped ’57 Studebaker police cars for the State of Maine are ready to be loaded on driveway trucks at Robert R. Walker, Inc., South Bend driveway firm. The cars—specially designed to meet the needs of patrolling modern, high speed highways—will be delivered by three Maine dealerships: Cassidy Service Station, Houlton; Gagnon’s Garage, Sanford and Marden Motor Co., Augusta. All 40 police cars are specially equipped with Sweepstakes 289 V8 engines, Safety-Fin brakes, Twin Traction and Naugahyde upholstery.

Studerich had it right but who would have guessed 40 would be built?! I may post a copy of a Production Order one of these days. Maybe a few still up there in The Pine Tree State, well, a little unlikely I guess, but whom knows?


Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

mbstude
01-12-2008, 06:31 PM
Mr. Quinn, what don't you have that's Studebaker-related? [8D]

You never cease to amaze me! [^]

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/Scotsman%20pickup/0000_59_truck__avatar_december.jpg

mbstude
01-12-2008, 06:31 PM
Mr. Quinn, what don't you have that's Studebaker-related? [8D]

You never cease to amaze me! [^]

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/Scotsman%20pickup/0000_59_truck__avatar_december.jpg

Studebaker Wheel
01-12-2008, 06:36 PM
Matthew; I don't have an orange '59 Scotsman pick 'em up.....yet!

Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

Studebaker Wheel
01-12-2008, 06:36 PM
Matthew; I don't have an orange '59 Scotsman pick 'em up.....yet!

Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

BobPalma
01-12-2008, 06:42 PM
:) Uh-Oh! [:0] 'Looks like we're in for a knock-down, drag-out authenticity fight! ;)[8D];)

Consider: In the 1957 brochure, a Commander Custom 4-door is illustrated with chrome headlamp doors ("rims"), whereas the 1957 Champion Custom Club Sedan right below it is illustrated with painted headlamp doors...and these Presidents clearly have painted doors!

[?] And BTW, Dick, was Walker a driveway firm or a driveaway firm? ('Thought I'd better point that out before The Grammar Police appear at your door with a warrant...!) :D BP

BobPalma
01-12-2008, 06:42 PM
:) Uh-Oh! [:0] 'Looks like we're in for a knock-down, drag-out authenticity fight! ;)[8D];)

Consider: In the 1957 brochure, a Commander Custom 4-door is illustrated with chrome headlamp doors ("rims"), whereas the 1957 Champion Custom Club Sedan right below it is illustrated with painted headlamp doors...and these Presidents clearly have painted doors!

[?] And BTW, Dick, was Walker a driveway firm or a driveaway firm? ('Thought I'd better point that out before The Grammar Police appear at your door with a warrant...!) :D BP

Studebaker Wheel
01-12-2008, 06:54 PM
They obviously were a driveaway firm. Seems like Microsoft "word" takes some liberties from time to time and changes things automatically to their liking. Generally I type things in "word" first. You would think that would eliminate the possibility of "misteaks" but apparently it sometimes creates them! In any event I know I always have you and Gary to jump in and make the corrections for me.

Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

Studebaker Wheel
01-12-2008, 06:54 PM
They obviously were a driveaway firm. Seems like Microsoft "word" takes some liberties from time to time and changes things automatically to their liking. Generally I type things in "word" first. You would think that would eliminate the possibility of "misteaks" but apparently it sometimes creates them! In any event I know I always have you and Gary to jump in and make the corrections for me.

Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

Dick Steinkamp
01-12-2008, 06:58 PM
quote:Originally posted by Studebaker Wheel
I always have you and Gary to jump in and make the corrections for me.



...and, Guido is branching out from decimals into vocabulary from time to time [:o)]

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
01-12-2008, 06:58 PM
quote:Originally posted by Studebaker Wheel
I always have you and Gary to jump in and make the corrections for me.



...and, Guido is branching out from decimals into vocabulary from time to time [:o)]

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg

mbstude
01-12-2008, 06:58 PM
quote:Matthew; I don't have an orange '59 Scotsman pick 'em up.....yet!

I know where you can get one... Would you like to find a new, young owner for your '40 President two door? [:o)]

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/Scotsman%20pickup/0000_59_truck__avatar_december.jpg

mbstude
01-12-2008, 06:58 PM
quote:Matthew; I don't have an orange '59 Scotsman pick 'em up.....yet!

I know where you can get one... Would you like to find a new, young owner for your '40 President two door? [:o)]

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/Scotsman%20pickup/0000_59_truck__avatar_december.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
01-12-2008, 07:03 PM
quote:Originally posted by Guido
Not being old enough to remember, would there have been 2 door police cars?


Is a four pound robin fat?

http://www.highwaypatroltv.com/MachineNappingCopter1.jpg

10-4, 10-4, 10-4 (as Broderick Crawford would say)

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
01-12-2008, 07:03 PM
quote:Originally posted by Guido
Not being old enough to remember, would there have been 2 door police cars?


Is a four pound robin fat?

http://www.highwaypatroltv.com/MachineNappingCopter1.jpg

10-4, 10-4, 10-4 (as Broderick Crawford would say)

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg

BobPalma
01-12-2008, 07:12 PM
quote:Originally posted by Studebaker Wheel

They obviously were a driveaway firm. Seems like Microsoft "word" takes some liberties from time to time and changes things automatically to their liking. Generally I type things in "word" first. You would think that would eliminate the possibility of "misteaks" but apparently it sometimes creates them! In any event I know I always have you and Gary to jump in and make the corrections for me.

Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review


:) 'Just the usual raspberries, Dick, as you know. This "spel-chek" business can be downright funny. To wit:

This week, I got a pitch to send money to an outfit known as "World War II Veterans Committee" for some kind of memorial project. They enclosed the obligatory color art of a WWII pilot strafing a Japanese carrier's flight deck. The caption said,

"...Lt. James P. Muri of the Army Air Force's 22nd Bob Group...." I thought, geeze; how could James be a member of the BOB group when his name is James? (Obviously, it was 'sposed to be Bomb Group!)

"Love those President Custom 2-doors destined for Maine, Dick; great photos. One of them has to have survived somewhere! [8D] BP :D

BobPalma
01-12-2008, 07:12 PM
quote:Originally posted by Studebaker Wheel

They obviously were a driveaway firm. Seems like Microsoft "word" takes some liberties from time to time and changes things automatically to their liking. Generally I type things in "word" first. You would think that would eliminate the possibility of "misteaks" but apparently it sometimes creates them! In any event I know I always have you and Gary to jump in and make the corrections for me.

Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review


:) 'Just the usual raspberries, Dick, as you know. This "spel-chek" business can be downright funny. To wit:

This week, I got a pitch to send money to an outfit known as "World War II Veterans Committee" for some kind of memorial project. They enclosed the obligatory color art of a WWII pilot strafing a Japanese carrier's flight deck. The caption said,

"...Lt. James P. Muri of the Army Air Force's 22nd Bob Group...." I thought, geeze; how could James be a member of the BOB group when his name is James? (Obviously, it was 'sposed to be Bomb Group!)

"Love those President Custom 2-doors destined for Maine, Dick; great photos. One of them has to have survived somewhere! [8D] BP :D

lstude
01-12-2008, 07:16 PM
When I was growing up, I remember all the police cars were 2 doors. The County where I lived had 2door 59 Fords , then later they changed to 2 door 60 and 61 Plymouths. Of course I never saw a 57 President!

Here is a State Police car that was at the State Fair last fall.


http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/StateFair92807StatePolicecar.jpg

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/MeatSouthBendsm1.jpg

lstude
01-12-2008, 07:16 PM
When I was growing up, I remember all the police cars were 2 doors. The County where I lived had 2door 59 Fords , then later they changed to 2 door 60 and 61 Plymouths. Of course I never saw a 57 President!

Here is a State Police car that was at the State Fair last fall.


http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/StateFair92807StatePolicecar.jpg

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/MeatSouthBendsm1.jpg

BobPalma
01-12-2008, 07:19 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp


quote:Originally posted by Guido
Not being old enough to remember, would there have been 2 door police cars?


Is a four pound robin fat?

http://www.highwaypatroltv.com/MachineNappingCopter1.jpg

10-4, 10-4, 10-4 (as Broderick Crawford would say)

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg



:) You realize, Dick, that you've hit on a real delight for the Buick gang: The only 1955 Century 2-door sedans ("post" for the non-automotive-verbal types) were indeed those 268 specially made for The California Highway Patrol. [8D] BP

BobPalma
01-12-2008, 07:19 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp


quote:Originally posted by Guido
Not being old enough to remember, would there have been 2 door police cars?


Is a four pound robin fat?

http://www.highwaypatroltv.com/MachineNappingCopter1.jpg

10-4, 10-4, 10-4 (as Broderick Crawford would say)

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg



:) You realize, Dick, that you've hit on a real delight for the Buick gang: The only 1955 Century 2-door sedans ("post" for the non-automotive-verbal types) were indeed those 268 specially made for The California Highway Patrol. [8D] BP

Studebaker Wheel
01-12-2008, 07:19 PM
Matthew; An even trade wouldn't be fair to you. I will have to throw in a Coupe Express or two. Sorry, I don't have an orange one.

Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

Studebaker Wheel
01-12-2008, 07:19 PM
Matthew; An even trade wouldn't be fair to you. I will have to throw in a Coupe Express or two. Sorry, I don't have an orange one.

Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

mbstude
01-12-2008, 07:25 PM
quote:Matthew; An even trade wouldn't be fair to you. I will have to throw in a Coupe Express or two. Sorry, I don't have an orange one.

Well, if you must... One Coupe Express would be fine. Or a '31 President Model 80R coupe, if you happen to have one. ;)

The color doesn't matter; a gallon of orange and a brand new paint roller are easy to come by. :D

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/Scotsman%20pickup/0000_59_truck__avatar_december.jpg

mbstude
01-12-2008, 07:25 PM
quote:Matthew; An even trade wouldn't be fair to you. I will have to throw in a Coupe Express or two. Sorry, I don't have an orange one.

Well, if you must... One Coupe Express would be fine. Or a '31 President Model 80R coupe, if you happen to have one. ;)

The color doesn't matter; a gallon of orange and a brand new paint roller are easy to come by. :D

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/Scotsman%20pickup/0000_59_truck__avatar_december.jpg

Guido
01-12-2008, 07:26 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp
Guido is branching out from decimals into vocabulary from time to time Darn!!! I was enjoying dinner with the family and missed out! :( By the way Dick, you need a period at the end of your sentence. ;)

Decimal Dude (with a rudimentary understanding of English)

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/62/562/2/21/69/2353221690097493054hwathP_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/60/460/3/91/1/2433391010097493054nAMBKh_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/24/565/2/49/65/2603249650097493054XvpTUI_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/64/564/6/89/77/2752689770097493054skXzAT_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/24/565/5/22/8/2609522080097493054ZNRJeA_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/69/169/4/66/56/2729466560097493054oBZsXT_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
01-12-2008, 07:26 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp
Guido is branching out from decimals into vocabulary from time to time Darn!!! I was enjoying dinner with the family and missed out! :( By the way Dick, you need a period at the end of your sentence. ;)

Decimal Dude (with a rudimentary understanding of English)

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/62/562/2/21/69/2353221690097493054hwathP_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/60/460/3/91/1/2433391010097493054nAMBKh_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/24/565/2/49/65/2603249650097493054XvpTUI_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/64/564/6/89/77/2752689770097493054skXzAT_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/24/565/5/22/8/2609522080097493054ZNRJeA_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/69/169/4/66/56/2729466560097493054oBZsXT_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

BobPalma
01-12-2008, 07:27 PM
:) Regarding 2-door sedan police cars: As many have observed, they were more common than 4-doors through the mid 1960s. Sadly, the "family second car" that replaced our 1957 President 2-door in late 1963 was a 1962 Plymouth Savoy 2-door sedan that had been a genuine Indiana State Police Trooper's highway patrol car. My Dad bought it at a state vehicle auction.

At the time, ISP cars were a unique dark blue lower with white paint roofs, and they didn't repaint them when they took them out of service. So as long as that paint scheme was used and a former patrol car looked reasonably late-model and if you left the spotlight in the windshield post... ;)[}:)][^] BP

BobPalma
01-12-2008, 07:27 PM
:) Regarding 2-door sedan police cars: As many have observed, they were more common than 4-doors through the mid 1960s. Sadly, the "family second car" that replaced our 1957 President 2-door in late 1963 was a 1962 Plymouth Savoy 2-door sedan that had been a genuine Indiana State Police Trooper's highway patrol car. My Dad bought it at a state vehicle auction.

At the time, ISP cars were a unique dark blue lower with white paint roofs, and they didn't repaint them when they took them out of service. So as long as that paint scheme was used and a former patrol car looked reasonably late-model and if you left the spotlight in the windshield post... ;)[}:)][^] BP

StudeRich
01-12-2008, 07:38 PM
Yeah Bob, that woulda, coulda, shoulda happened, BUT the good 'ol Chassis parts Catalog let us down ...again!

I figured to prove that all trim level 4's had chrome and all 2's did not, (making the Advertising ARTISTS wrong, because that's how MOST were built. But in their infinite wisdom the writers did a CYA, and showed chrome and painted for both '56-'57 G & B! Chrome for '56-'57 H's and Chrome 1312089W for all of those '58 Packards out there with not only single headlights, but '57 fenders! [:0] :D:D

They chose not show the trim levels at all! [V]


quote:Originally posted by BobPalma

:) Uh-Oh! [:0] 'Looks like we're in for a knock-down, drag-out authenticity fight! ;)[8D];)

Consider: In the 1957 brochure, a Commander Custom 4-door is illustrated with chrome headlamp doors ("rims"), whereas the 1957 Champion Custom Club Sedan right below it is illustrated with painted headlamp doors...and these Presidents clearly have painted doors!

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
01-12-2008, 07:38 PM
Yeah Bob, that woulda, coulda, shoulda happened, BUT the good 'ol Chassis parts Catalog let us down ...again!

I figured to prove that all trim level 4's had chrome and all 2's did not, (making the Advertising ARTISTS wrong, because that's how MOST were built. But in their infinite wisdom the writers did a CYA, and showed chrome and painted for both '56-'57 G & B! Chrome for '56-'57 H's and Chrome 1312089W for all of those '58 Packards out there with not only single headlights, but '57 fenders! [:0] :D:D

They chose not show the trim levels at all! [V]


quote:Originally posted by BobPalma

:) Uh-Oh! [:0] 'Looks like we're in for a knock-down, drag-out authenticity fight! ;)[8D];)

Consider: In the 1957 brochure, a Commander Custom 4-door is illustrated with chrome headlamp doors ("rims"), whereas the 1957 Champion Custom Club Sedan right below it is illustrated with painted headlamp doors...and these Presidents clearly have painted doors!

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

BobPalma
01-12-2008, 08:13 PM
:) Here's some production figures from the 3rd Edition, Standard Catalog of American Cars 1946-1975, regarding 1957 Studebaker Presidents:

57H-W2:(President Custom 4-door sedan): 74
57H-F2:(President Custom 2-door sedan): 62 (the model discussed in this thread.)
57H-P2:(President Custom 4-door wagon): 6

57H-W4:(President DeLuxe 4-door sedan): 33
57H-F4:(President DeLuxe 2-door sedan): 8
57H-D4:(President DeLuxe 2-door wagon): 8

Now, there are some rare cars! You can't help but wonder: Did the President DeLuxe models have the single, stainless-steel spear with dip in the rear quarter that was common to Commander and Champion DeLuxes? [?]

'Can't say that I've ever seen any 1957 Presidents DeLuxe, but I'm sure Leonard Shepherd or Dick Quinn will promptly post good, period color photos of all 3 1957 President DeLuxe models, probably at a 1957 Law Enforcement Convention in Las Vegas or some such...[8D] BP

BobPalma
01-12-2008, 08:13 PM
:) Here's some production figures from the 3rd Edition, Standard Catalog of American Cars 1946-1975, regarding 1957 Studebaker Presidents:

57H-W2:(President Custom 4-door sedan): 74
57H-F2:(President Custom 2-door sedan): 62 (the model discussed in this thread.)
57H-P2:(President Custom 4-door wagon): 6

57H-W4:(President DeLuxe 4-door sedan): 33
57H-F4:(President DeLuxe 2-door sedan): 8
57H-D4:(President DeLuxe 2-door wagon): 8

Now, there are some rare cars! You can't help but wonder: Did the President DeLuxe models have the single, stainless-steel spear with dip in the rear quarter that was common to Commander and Champion DeLuxes? [?]

'Can't say that I've ever seen any 1957 Presidents DeLuxe, but I'm sure Leonard Shepherd or Dick Quinn will promptly post good, period color photos of all 3 1957 President DeLuxe models, probably at a 1957 Law Enforcement Convention in Las Vegas or some such...[8D] BP

StudeDave57
01-12-2008, 08:37 PM
All I did was run a light- you didn't have to send the whole fleet after me!!!

LOVE THE PHOTO!!!

For the record, there's only one 57H-F6 actually on my Registry, though I do know of one or two others floating around out there...



StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca
www.studebakersandiego.com

'54 Commander Regal 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Commander DeLuxe 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion Custom 2dr 'Jewel'
'57 Parkview (she's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

StudeDave57
01-12-2008, 08:37 PM
All I did was run a light- you didn't have to send the whole fleet after me!!!

LOVE THE PHOTO!!!

For the record, there's only one 57H-F6 actually on my Registry, though I do know of one or two others floating around out there...



StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca
www.studebakersandiego.com

'54 Commander Regal 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Commander DeLuxe 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion Custom 2dr 'Jewel'
'57 Parkview (she's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

Roscomacaw
01-12-2008, 09:08 PM
Yeah Rich - TOO LATE! I already saw it.[:p] Fantastic Foto. Thanks Richard!
Who'da thunk, eh? Geez, that green F2 Commander that we looked at awhile back - with some President name scripts and some V[8] badges, you could do one of these cop cars![}:)]

Yeah, I'd bet there's NONE of the lesser President 2drs still in existence. I did a SDC roster search awhile back and rounded up about a dozen 57H-F cars. There's no notes as to what trim level each one sports. With a dozen noted, I'd take a wild guess that there's at least that many that aren't reflected on the roster (in the hands of SDCers, that is). And figure a few more scattered in forgotten wrecking yards and behind barns and maybe there's 5% of what was built still in existence.:(

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/30906179/aview/57Pres2-door2.jpg

"By the way Dick, you need a period at the end of your sentence." Period, decimal - what's the difference???

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
01-12-2008, 09:08 PM
Yeah Rich - TOO LATE! I already saw it.[:p] Fantastic Foto. Thanks Richard!
Who'da thunk, eh? Geez, that green F2 Commander that we looked at awhile back - with some President name scripts and some V[8] badges, you could do one of these cop cars![}:)]

Yeah, I'd bet there's NONE of the lesser President 2drs still in existence. I did a SDC roster search awhile back and rounded up about a dozen 57H-F cars. There's no notes as to what trim level each one sports. With a dozen noted, I'd take a wild guess that there's at least that many that aren't reflected on the roster (in the hands of SDCers, that is). And figure a few more scattered in forgotten wrecking yards and behind barns and maybe there's 5% of what was built still in existence.:(

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/30906179/aview/57Pres2-door2.jpg

"By the way Dick, you need a period at the end of your sentence." Period, decimal - what's the difference???

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Dick Steinkamp
01-12-2008, 09:16 PM
quote:Originally posted by Guido
:( By the way Dick, you need a period at the end of your sentence. ;)




It's there. It just looks like a big clown face ;)

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
01-12-2008, 09:16 PM
quote:Originally posted by Guido
:( By the way Dick, you need a period at the end of your sentence. ;)




It's there. It just looks like a big clown face ;)

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg

StudeDave57
01-12-2008, 10:29 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Who'da thunk, eh? Geez, that green F2 Commander that we looked at awhile back - with some President name scripts and some V[8] badges, you could do one of these cop cars! [}:)]

Which one is/was that??? WHERE???


StudeDave [8D]

StudeDave57
01-12-2008, 10:29 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Who'da thunk, eh? Geez, that green F2 Commander that we looked at awhile back - with some President name scripts and some V[8] badges, you could do one of these cop cars! [}:)]

Which one is/was that??? WHERE???


StudeDave [8D]

JDP
01-12-2008, 11:17 PM
Yep, I owned a 2 door cop car, second from the left.


http://stude.com/studi3.JPG

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
01-12-2008, 11:17 PM
Yep, I owned a 2 door cop car, second from the left.


http://stude.com/studi3.JPG

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

Mark57
01-12-2008, 11:22 PM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

Yep, I owned a 2 door cop car, second from the left.
http://stude.com/studi3.JPG
JDP/Maryland


Great picture John! [:p] I'd love to have one of those. [8D]

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
[img]http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/MrGreenJeans1003b.jpg

Mark57
01-12-2008, 11:22 PM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

Yep, I owned a 2 door cop car, second from the left.
http://stude.com/studi3.JPG
JDP/Maryland


Great picture John! [:p] I'd love to have one of those. [8D]

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
[img]http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/MrGreenJeans1003b.jpg

JDP
01-12-2008, 11:46 PM
How about a action shot ? In 1963 the Grand View Heights Ohio police department ordered 4 new Studebaker Pursuit Marshal Police cars. They were all ordered with 289 cu.in. engines, Flight-O-Matics, power steering, power brakes, HD cooling, springs and shocks. They all had a few added creature comforts including Climatizer, clock, cigar lighter, passenger side sun visor and more. They were all ordered with 'special paint', black body, white roof and was prewired for roof lights. One was not equipped with roof mounted light, one had roof mounted siren and light, two with just roof mounted siren.

(note the black wheels from the factory)




http://stude.com/studi.JPG

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
01-12-2008, 11:46 PM
How about a action shot ? In 1963 the Grand View Heights Ohio police department ordered 4 new Studebaker Pursuit Marshal Police cars. They were all ordered with 289 cu.in. engines, Flight-O-Matics, power steering, power brakes, HD cooling, springs and shocks. They all had a few added creature comforts including Climatizer, clock, cigar lighter, passenger side sun visor and more. They were all ordered with 'special paint', black body, white roof and was prewired for roof lights. One was not equipped with roof mounted light, one had roof mounted siren and light, two with just roof mounted siren.

(note the black wheels from the factory)




http://stude.com/studi.JPG

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

8E45E
01-13-2008, 12:41 AM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

How about a action shot ? In 1963 the Grand View Heights Ohio police department ordered 4 new Studebaker Pursuit Marshal Police cars. They were all ordered with 289 cu.in. engines, Flight-O-Matics, power steering, power brakes, HD cooling, springs and shocks. They all had a few added creature comforts including Climatizer, clock, cigar lighter, passenger side sun visor and more. They were all ordered with 'special paint', black body, white roof and was prewired for roof lights. One was not equipped with roof mounted light, one had roof mounted siren and light, two with just roof mounted siren.

(note the black wheels from the factory)


Yes, John, they were interesting cars for sure. I saved the copy of the build sheet of it.:)


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2200/2188242293_9a1e5b3120_o.jpg

Craig

8E45E
01-13-2008, 12:41 AM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

How about a action shot ? In 1963 the Grand View Heights Ohio police department ordered 4 new Studebaker Pursuit Marshal Police cars. They were all ordered with 289 cu.in. engines, Flight-O-Matics, power steering, power brakes, HD cooling, springs and shocks. They all had a few added creature comforts including Climatizer, clock, cigar lighter, passenger side sun visor and more. They were all ordered with 'special paint', black body, white roof and was prewired for roof lights. One was not equipped with roof mounted light, one had roof mounted siren and light, two with just roof mounted siren.

(note the black wheels from the factory)


Yes, John, they were interesting cars for sure. I saved the copy of the build sheet of it.:)


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2200/2188242293_9a1e5b3120_o.jpg

Craig

StudeRich
01-13-2008, 02:22 AM
Bob, I think you got a bit confused by the Deluxe name! I am pretty sure your Dad's Pres. and Biggs' Pres. ARE the F4 Deluxe! The only other Pres. 2dr's are the F2 Customs like in Richard's factory photo, and we are now told that all 40 went to that Police order, so that leaves NONE!

All nicely trimmed '57 Presidents and Golden Hawks as you know, have full bullet shaped quarter panel trim, not the 1/2 style similar to the Silver Hawk and as on Commander/Champion! [:0]

Here is the one recently on ebay, it's now in Texas, was in MI when the former owner & restorer brought it to the 2002 S.B. meet.

quote:Originally posted by BobPalma
:)
Now, there are some rare cars! You can't help but wonder: Did the President DeLuxe models have the single, stainless-steel spear with dip in the rear quarter that was common to Commander and Champion DeLuxes? [?]
'Can't say that I've ever seen any 1957 Presidents DeLuxe,
Here's <s>Craig Parslow's</s> StudeDave57's pic of it there!
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/studerich/President2drSBend_02.jpg
And the ebay photos from Texas
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/studerich/Pres2dr2.jpg
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/studerich/Pres2dr5.jpg

StudeRich -Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
01-13-2008, 02:22 AM
Bob, I think you got a bit confused by the Deluxe name! I am pretty sure your Dad's Pres. and Biggs' Pres. ARE the F4 Deluxe! The only other Pres. 2dr's are the F2 Customs like in Richard's factory photo, and we are now told that all 40 went to that Police order, so that leaves NONE!

All nicely trimmed '57 Presidents and Golden Hawks as you know, have full bullet shaped quarter panel trim, not the 1/2 style similar to the Silver Hawk and as on Commander/Champion! [:0]

Here is the one recently on ebay, it's now in Texas, was in MI when the former owner & restorer brought it to the 2002 S.B. meet.

quote:Originally posted by BobPalma
:)
Now, there are some rare cars! You can't help but wonder: Did the President DeLuxe models have the single, stainless-steel spear with dip in the rear quarter that was common to Commander and Champion DeLuxes? [?]
'Can't say that I've ever seen any 1957 Presidents DeLuxe,
Here's <s>Craig Parslow's</s> StudeDave57's pic of it there!
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/studerich/President2drSBend_02.jpg
And the ebay photos from Texas
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/studerich/Pres2dr2.jpg
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/studerich/Pres2dr5.jpg

StudeRich -Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA

BobPalma
01-13-2008, 05:36 AM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

Bob, I think you got a bit confused by the Deluxe name! I am pretty sure your Dad's Pres. and Biggs' Pres. ARE the F4 Deluxe! The only other Pres. 2dr's are the F2 Customs like in Richard's factory photo, and we are now told that all 40 went to that Police order, so that leaves NONE!

All nicely trimmed '57 Presidents and Golden Hawks as you know, have full bullet shaped quarter panel trim, not the 1/2 style similar to the Silver Hawk and as on Commander/Champion! [:0]

Here is the one recently on ebay, it's now in Texas, was in MI when the former owner & restorer brought it to the 2002 S.B. meet.

quote:Originally posted by BobPalma
:)
Now, there are some rare cars! You can't help but wonder: Did the President DeLuxe models have the single, stainless-steel spear with dip in the rear quarter that was common to Commander and Champion DeLuxes? [?]
'Can't say that I've ever seen any 1957 Presidents DeLuxe,
Here's Craig Parslow's pic of it there!
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/studerich/President2drSBend_02.jpg
And the ebay photos from Texas
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/studerich/Pres2dr2.jpg
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/studerich/Pres2dr5.jpg

StudeRich -Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA


:) Dave: The 1957 President 2-door StudeBob has is surely one of the 836 57H-F6 President Regal 2-doors made, the 2-door Studebaker offered as the consumer model for the retail market. The low production numbers of the DeLuxes and Customs point to their being Fleet/Police/Government units. After all, they built only EIGHT (8) 57H-F4 DeLuxe 2-doors!

If the one I drove in high school and the one StudeBob has and the one on e-bay were all 57H-F4s, as you suggest, it would mean we've accounted for 3 of only 8 made...highly unlikely! The point I was making was that I'd never seen a 57H-F4 DeLuxe, and it's highly unlikely any of the rest of us have, either.

Anyway, StudeBob will [hopefully] go read the body tag on the one he has and post here to confirm his being a 57H-F6; that will confirm the obvious. [^] BP

BobPalma
01-13-2008, 05:36 AM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

Bob, I think you got a bit confused by the Deluxe name! I am pretty sure your Dad's Pres. and Biggs' Pres. ARE the F4 Deluxe! The only other Pres. 2dr's are the F2 Customs like in Richard's factory photo, and we are now told that all 40 went to that Police order, so that leaves NONE!

All nicely trimmed '57 Presidents and Golden Hawks as you know, have full bullet shaped quarter panel trim, not the 1/2 style similar to the Silver Hawk and as on Commander/Champion! [:0]

Here is the one recently on ebay, it's now in Texas, was in MI when the former owner & restorer brought it to the 2002 S.B. meet.

quote:Originally posted by BobPalma
:)
Now, there are some rare cars! You can't help but wonder: Did the President DeLuxe models have the single, stainless-steel spear with dip in the rear quarter that was common to Commander and Champion DeLuxes? [?]
'Can't say that I've ever seen any 1957 Presidents DeLuxe,
Here's Craig Parslow's pic of it there!
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/studerich/President2drSBend_02.jpg
And the ebay photos from Texas
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/studerich/Pres2dr2.jpg
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/studerich/Pres2dr5.jpg

StudeRich -Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA


:) Dave: The 1957 President 2-door StudeBob has is surely one of the 836 57H-F6 President Regal 2-doors made, the 2-door Studebaker offered as the consumer model for the retail market. The low production numbers of the DeLuxes and Customs point to their being Fleet/Police/Government units. After all, they built only EIGHT (8) 57H-F4 DeLuxe 2-doors!

If the one I drove in high school and the one StudeBob has and the one on e-bay were all 57H-F4s, as you suggest, it would mean we've accounted for 3 of only 8 made...highly unlikely! The point I was making was that I'd never seen a 57H-F4 DeLuxe, and it's highly unlikely any of the rest of us have, either.

Anyway, StudeBob will [hopefully] go read the body tag on the one he has and post here to confirm his being a 57H-F6; that will confirm the obvious. [^] BP

JDP
01-13-2008, 07:03 AM
I did drift off topic, but I was pushed that way by the post about 2 door cop cars and the fact I owned one. :)

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
01-13-2008, 07:03 AM
I did drift off topic, but I was pushed that way by the post about 2 door cop cars and the fact I owned one. :)

JDP/Maryland
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39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

8E45E
01-13-2008, 09:04 AM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich
[Here's Craig Parslow's pic of it there!


Rich; that ain't my photo!![B)]

Here is the pic I took of it at South Bend in 2002.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2024/2189062721_888bab40aa_b.jpg

Craig

8E45E
01-13-2008, 09:04 AM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich
[Here's Craig Parslow's pic of it there!


Rich; that ain't my photo!![B)]

Here is the pic I took of it at South Bend in 2002.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2024/2189062721_888bab40aa_b.jpg

Craig

StudeDave57
01-13-2008, 10:30 AM
Dad, that picture is one I took in South Bend, 2002. I never did get it parked next to 'Baby' for a photo that would've been really cool...

Bob~ I have the info on Biggs' car- I even poosted it!!! His is indeed an F6.


StudeDave [8D]

edited for spelling... [V]

StudeDave57
01-13-2008, 10:30 AM
Dad, that picture is one I took in South Bend, 2002. I never did get it parked next to 'Baby' for a photo that would've been really cool...

Bob~ I have the info on Biggs' car- I even poosted it!!! His is indeed an F6.


StudeDave [8D]

edited for spelling... [V]

8E45E
01-13-2008, 10:58 AM
quote:Originally posted by raprice

Boy, I never would have thought that they were Presidents. They are too sparsely trimmed. No bright metal trim around the windshield and very little trim along the side.


It makes one wonder if Studebaker would have gone the other direction and put President trim on a Champion.[:0] Going by their track record, I would bet money on it that if some customer really liked the President's arrow trim, but in a 6 cylinder, Studebaker probably would have kept the customer happy and built a '57G F6' for him.

Craig

8E45E
01-13-2008, 10:58 AM
quote:Originally posted by raprice

Boy, I never would have thought that they were Presidents. They are too sparsely trimmed. No bright metal trim around the windshield and very little trim along the side.


It makes one wonder if Studebaker would have gone the other direction and put President trim on a Champion.[:0] Going by their track record, I would bet money on it that if some customer really liked the President's arrow trim, but in a 6 cylinder, Studebaker probably would have kept the customer happy and built a '57G F6' for him.

Craig

Roscomacaw
01-13-2008, 01:32 PM
Yes, mine's an F6. body #145 if I remember right.

Craig, that's in line with the points I've made before about these Pres Sedanettes. They're SO CLOSE to the Commander variant that you have to wonder why folks opted for them at all!
To get a 57H-F6 over a 57B-F4 you add 30 cubic inches of displacement, finned drums instead of smooth, and a few bits of brightwork - inside and out. An extra $112 bucks bought you all that and it didn't even come with a 4bbl or duals like the 4dr Pres did. Plus the interiors of these F6 Presidents are distinctly less attractive than their 4dr brethern.

And will someone offer some explanation on this??? The shipping weight of the F6 Pres is 60lbs more than the F4 Commander! I guarantee you that if I took all the brightwork off the Pres that is extra, there's NO WAY it would add up to 60lbs. And I can't see the finned drums weighing that much more either.[}:)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
01-13-2008, 01:32 PM
Yes, mine's an F6. body #145 if I remember right.

Craig, that's in line with the points I've made before about these Pres Sedanettes. They're SO CLOSE to the Commander variant that you have to wonder why folks opted for them at all!
To get a 57H-F6 over a 57B-F4 you add 30 cubic inches of displacement, finned drums instead of smooth, and a few bits of brightwork - inside and out. An extra $112 bucks bought you all that and it didn't even come with a 4bbl or duals like the 4dr Pres did. Plus the interiors of these F6 Presidents are distinctly less attractive than their 4dr brethern.

And will someone offer some explanation on this??? The shipping weight of the F6 Pres is 60lbs more than the F4 Commander! I guarantee you that if I took all the brightwork off the Pres that is extra, there's NO WAY it would add up to 60lbs. And I can't see the finned drums weighing that much more either.[}:)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

StudeDave57
01-13-2008, 01:44 PM
First thing- sorry for the 'slam' on you JDP- you weren't the first to go astray...

Biggs~ Yes, your body number is #145, according to what you sent me sometime ago.

Maybe the 'extra' weight is from the flags on the fender??? [:o)]


StudeDave [8D]

StudeDave57
01-13-2008, 01:44 PM
First thing- sorry for the 'slam' on you JDP- you weren't the first to go astray...

Biggs~ Yes, your body number is #145, according to what you sent me sometime ago.

Maybe the 'extra' weight is from the flags on the fender??? [:o)]


StudeDave [8D]

StudeRich
01-13-2008, 01:50 PM
I think the two upper fin mouldings for 3/4 LB, and 4 much heavier finned drums and a 44 axle, plus 10 LBS more iron in the 289 crank could do it Bob!

Could even have a few pounds of seat padding, firewall insulation, floor mat padding etc.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
01-13-2008, 01:50 PM
I think the two upper fin mouldings for 3/4 LB, and 4 much heavier finned drums and a 44 axle, plus 10 LBS more iron in the 289 crank could do it Bob!

Could even have a few pounds of seat padding, firewall insulation, floor mat padding etc.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

Roscomacaw
01-13-2008, 02:03 PM
Rich, the drums are heavier, for sure. But the Commanders and Presidents both had the 44 standard. And if that HAD BEEN a point of differentiation, I'd go with that being the bulk of the difference in weights.;)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
01-13-2008, 02:03 PM
Rich, the drums are heavier, for sure. But the Commanders and Presidents both had the 44 standard. And if that HAD BEEN a point of differentiation, I'd go with that being the bulk of the difference in weights.;)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

BobPalma
01-13-2008, 02:15 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Yes, mine's an F6. body #145 if I remember right.

Craig, that's in line with the points I've made before about these Pres Sedanettes. They're SO CLOSE to the Commander variant that you have to wonder why folks opted for them at all!
To get a 57H-F6 over a 57B-F4 you add 30 cubic inches of displacement, finned drums instead of smooth, and a few bits of brightwork - inside and out. An extra $112 bucks bought you all that and it didn't even come with a 4bbl or duals like the 4dr Pres did. Plus the interiors of these F6 Presidents are distinctly less attractive than their 4dr brethern.

And will someone offer some explanation on this??? The shipping weight of the F6 Pres is 60lbs more than the F4 Commander! I guarantee you that if I took all the brightwork off the Pres that is extra, there's NO WAY it would add up to 60lbs. And I can't see the finned drums weighing that much more either.[}:)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe




:) A couple points, Bob:

1. Dual exhausts were standard on 1957 President 2-doors. Per the fine print on 1957 Studebaker large, full-line brochure PD 1011: Dual Exhausts standard on all President models.

2. Only the 4-barrel carb was an option; reference Item #1, above.

3. I believe the weight difference could easily be the 60 pounds (or 70 pounds, according to The Standard Catalog of American Cars 1946-1975) claimed over a Commander DeLuxe due to:

A. Additional weight of dual exhaust system.
B. Additional weight of 289 crankshaft over 259, due to stroke.
C. Additional exterior trim weight (admittedly not much).
D. Additional seat and upholstery weight.
E. Additional weight of the finned brake drums, as you report.

Regarding the interior observations, Bob. Our family's primary car was a 1957 Commander DeLuxe 4-door only two years before our 1957 President 2-door became our second car when Dad bought a new 1962 Mercury Monterey 4-door for the family's primary car. [xx(]

The President's seats were definately heavier and more "luxurious" than the Commanders, observed when I spent a good deal of time in both cars as a wide-eyed, Studebaker-crazed youngster (the Commander) and as a brand-new, 16-year-old Illinois-licensed motor vehicle operator driving the President. ;)

We're just stating opinions, here, so nobody is right or wrong regarding the value received, but it's my opinion the $112 would have been well spent to step up to a President 2-door over a Commander...and at least 836 people thought so during the 1957 model year: More stylish, more luxurious, more powerful with a 289 and duals, and better brakes to stop it..not to mention getting those nifty checkered-flag V-8 emblems on both front fenders!

'Sounds like "a hunnert and a dozen bucks worth" to me! [:p]:)[:p] BP

BobPalma
01-13-2008, 02:15 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Yes, mine's an F6. body #145 if I remember right.

Craig, that's in line with the points I've made before about these Pres Sedanettes. They're SO CLOSE to the Commander variant that you have to wonder why folks opted for them at all!
To get a 57H-F6 over a 57B-F4 you add 30 cubic inches of displacement, finned drums instead of smooth, and a few bits of brightwork - inside and out. An extra $112 bucks bought you all that and it didn't even come with a 4bbl or duals like the 4dr Pres did. Plus the interiors of these F6 Presidents are distinctly less attractive than their 4dr brethern.

And will someone offer some explanation on this??? The shipping weight of the F6 Pres is 60lbs more than the F4 Commander! I guarantee you that if I took all the brightwork off the Pres that is extra, there's NO WAY it would add up to 60lbs. And I can't see the finned drums weighing that much more either.[}:)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe




:) A couple points, Bob:

1. Dual exhausts were standard on 1957 President 2-doors. Per the fine print on 1957 Studebaker large, full-line brochure PD 1011: Dual Exhausts standard on all President models.

2. Only the 4-barrel carb was an option; reference Item #1, above.

3. I believe the weight difference could easily be the 60 pounds (or 70 pounds, according to The Standard Catalog of American Cars 1946-1975) claimed over a Commander DeLuxe due to:

A. Additional weight of dual exhaust system.
B. Additional weight of 289 crankshaft over 259, due to stroke.
C. Additional exterior trim weight (admittedly not much).
D. Additional seat and upholstery weight.
E. Additional weight of the finned brake drums, as you report.

Regarding the interior observations, Bob. Our family's primary car was a 1957 Commander DeLuxe 4-door only two years before our 1957 President 2-door became our second car when Dad bought a new 1962 Mercury Monterey 4-door for the family's primary car. [xx(]

The President's seats were definately heavier and more "luxurious" than the Commanders, observed when I spent a good deal of time in both cars as a wide-eyed, Studebaker-crazed youngster (the Commander) and as a brand-new, 16-year-old Illinois-licensed motor vehicle operator driving the President. ;)

We're just stating opinions, here, so nobody is right or wrong regarding the value received, but it's my opinion the $112 would have been well spent to step up to a President 2-door over a Commander...and at least 836 people thought so during the 1957 model year: More stylish, more luxurious, more powerful with a 289 and duals, and better brakes to stop it..not to mention getting those nifty checkered-flag V-8 emblems on both front fenders!

'Sounds like "a hunnert and a dozen bucks worth" to me! [:p]:)[:p] BP

Roscomacaw
01-13-2008, 04:34 PM
I wasn't aware that the duals were standard. Seems sorta odd since the 2bbl was standard! I'm gonna hafta take a finned drum and a smooth and weigh them.
The seats being more plush are a surprize to me. Even the upholstery is of lesser grade in the 2drs vs. the 4drs. Bob Kapteyn thought he actually HAD NOS seatcovers in green for my car, but he's never been able to find them in all his stuff. But he's seen this car and has agreed with me that the 2dr's seat coverings were not as classy as that that the 4dr President's wore.:D

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
01-13-2008, 04:34 PM
I wasn't aware that the duals were standard. Seems sorta odd since the 2bbl was standard! I'm gonna hafta take a finned drum and a smooth and weigh them.
The seats being more plush are a surprize to me. Even the upholstery is of lesser grade in the 2drs vs. the 4drs. Bob Kapteyn thought he actually HAD NOS seatcovers in green for my car, but he's never been able to find them in all his stuff. But he's seen this car and has agreed with me that the 2dr's seat coverings were not as classy as that that the 4dr President's wore.:D

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

BobPalma
01-13-2008, 04:45 PM
:) Bob; Are you sure he's not making the comparison between the President Classic and your 2-door? I'm certain the W-body President 4-door had the same interior as the F-body 2-door. The President Classic, of course, was decidedly fancier than either of the lesser model Presidents. [8D] BP

BobPalma
01-13-2008, 04:45 PM
:) Bob; Are you sure he's not making the comparison between the President Classic and your 2-door? I'm certain the W-body President 4-door had the same interior as the F-body 2-door. The President Classic, of course, was decidedly fancier than either of the lesser model Presidents. [8D] BP

studegary
01-13-2008, 06:38 PM
quote:Originally posted by BobPalma

:) Bob; Are you sure he's not making the comparison between the President Classic and your 2-door? I'm certain the W-body President 4-door had the same interior as the F-body 2-door. The President Classic, of course, was decidedly fancier than either of the lesser model Presidents. [8D] BP


Having owned both 1957 President and President Classic models, I agree with Bob P. that there is a large difference in the interiors when you step up to the 120.5 inch wheelbase Classic.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

studegary
01-13-2008, 06:38 PM
quote:Originally posted by BobPalma

:) Bob; Are you sure he's not making the comparison between the President Classic and your 2-door? I'm certain the W-body President 4-door had the same interior as the F-body 2-door. The President Classic, of course, was decidedly fancier than either of the lesser model Presidents. [8D] BP


Having owned both 1957 President and President Classic models, I agree with Bob P. that there is a large difference in the interiors when you step up to the 120.5 inch wheelbase Classic.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

Mark57
01-13-2008, 11:56 PM
quote:Originally posted by Studedude


quote:Not being old enough to remember, would there have been 2 door police cars? Seems that even back then you would have wanted to separate yourself from the bad guys.

Two door police cars were common back then. Even after the change to four door police cars, the "separation," of prisoners from the driving officer was a long time coming.
DAVE, THE EVIL TWIN FROM OKLAHOMA


I have to admit, I do not remember 2 door police cars here in Canada... 'course I don't remember much before the early '60's, and many older photos I have seen were 4 door. However, I found this old picture taken in the 1940's in the central interior of the province... not that good with older vehicles, anyone know what it is[?]

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/BCPPPatrolCar.jpg

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
[img]http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/MrGreenJeans1003b.jpg

Mark57
01-13-2008, 11:56 PM
quote:Originally posted by Studedude


quote:Not being old enough to remember, would there have been 2 door police cars? Seems that even back then you would have wanted to separate yourself from the bad guys.

Two door police cars were common back then. Even after the change to four door police cars, the "separation," of prisoners from the driving officer was a long time coming.
DAVE, THE EVIL TWIN FROM OKLAHOMA


I have to admit, I do not remember 2 door police cars here in Canada... 'course I don't remember much before the early '60's, and many older photos I have seen were 4 door. However, I found this old picture taken in the 1940's in the central interior of the province... not that good with older vehicles, anyone know what it is[?]

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/BCPPPatrolCar.jpg

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
[img]http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/MrGreenJeans1003b.jpg

StudeRich
01-14-2008, 01:12 AM
I think that would be a '46 Ford Coupe, Mark! Probably close anyway!:)

What was the theme of this string again? [?] Oh yeah, '57 Pres. 2dr's, now I remember! [:0] [^]

StudeRich -Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
01-14-2008, 01:12 AM
I think that would be a '46 Ford Coupe, Mark! Probably close anyway!:)

What was the theme of this string again? [?] Oh yeah, '57 Pres. 2dr's, now I remember! [:0] [^]

StudeRich -Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA