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scott.rodgers
05-19-2017, 02:44 PM
I'm looking to buy a pair of Studebaker wheels for disc brake cars. The potential seller I'm talking to doesn't know the difference between disc and non-disc wheels and I don't have any pictures to send to him. Could someone post a picture of a Stude disc wheel?

P.S. - I know that other brand and aftermarket wheels can work, but I want to use Stude dog dish hubcaps on a disc brake car.

53k
05-19-2017, 02:53 PM
I'm looking to buy a pair of Studebaker wheels for disc brake cars. The potential seller I'm talking to doesn't know the difference between disc and non-disc wheels and I don't have any pictures to send to him. Could someone post a picture of a Stude disc wheel?

P.S. - I know that other brand and aftermarket wheels can work, but I want to use Stude dog dish hubcaps on a disc brake car.
This is an original wheel off my '64 Daytona Wagonaire. Not great pictures, but maybe they will help.

Bordeaux Daytona
05-19-2017, 03:01 PM
The first picture looks like a disc brake wheel, the second a regular version.

scott.rodgers
05-19-2017, 03:01 PM
Paul,

Yes, that helps! Thanks for the quick reply!

2R2
05-19-2017, 04:33 PM
Attached is a picture of a disc brake wheel on my '63 Lark. It was taken while the car was being wet sanded, which explains the dust on the tire.64242

You will notice the additional "hump" the '63 disc brake wheels had. For the record, this is an Avanti wheel, which is 5" wide as opposed to the 4 1/2 inch wide Lark/Hawk style.

scott.rodgers
05-19-2017, 06:38 PM
Thanks for the help.

Unfortunately, my source only had non-disc wheels. Does anyone on the forum have a pair? Either width will work.

az64stude
05-19-2017, 07:08 PM
Its not pretty but I think it show the details better.64248

53k
05-19-2017, 07:29 PM
The first picture looks like a disc brake wheel, the second a regular version.
You're right. I can't imagine how I had a standard wheel on my Wagonaire or even how I had such a wheel.

studejohn
05-19-2017, 07:36 PM
If you're going to Lapalma Park show I can bring you 2. Thanks John Kroulik

scott.rodgers
05-19-2017, 09:02 PM
John,

I will be at La Palma - I try to never miss it.

rkapteyn
05-20-2017, 10:34 AM
The 1963 disk cars had the bulge to clear the disk brake calipers.
In 1964 all cars . both disk brake and drum brakes used the same wheels.
Studebaker redesigned the wheels in 1964 to be used on both the disk brake and drum brake cars.

scott.rodgers
05-20-2017, 10:38 AM
Rkapteyn,

That's what I thought about the later wheels. I don't have a set of 64/65/66 wheels, even though I have a '66 Daytona - does anyone have a picture of what these wheels look like compared to earlier, non-disc wheels?

rkapteyn
05-21-2017, 08:11 PM
If you look at the parts book you see that 1963 and 1964 wheels used the same part number except the Canadian wheels.
Can some Studebaker expert chime in on this?
Some of the late 1966 wheels were 5" wide.
http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?100195-Color-of-64-Hawk-rims&highlight=Disk+brake+wheels

http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?89999-Disc-brake-specific-Lark-Hawk-wheels&highlight=Kelsey+wheels+1964+Studebaker

http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?93559-disk-brake-wheels&highlight=Studebaker+disk+brake+wheels

Bordeaux Daytona
05-22-2017, 12:08 AM
The 1963 disk cars had the bulge to clear the disk brake calipers.
In 1964 all cars . both disk brake and drum brakes used the same wheels.
Studebaker redesigned the wheels in 1964 to be used on both the disk brake and drum brake cars.

I think that's the first time I've heard this but it would explain the disc wheels my '64 with drum brakes. And here I thought it was a factory goof up. Now I know. Thanks Bob!

Skip Lackie
05-22-2017, 09:42 AM
If you look at the parts book you see that 1963 and 1964 wheels used the same part number except the Canadian wheels.
Can some Studebaker expert chime in on this?
Some of the late 1966 wheels were 5" wide.
http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?100195-Color-of-64-Hawk-rims&highlight=Disk+brake+wheels

http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?89999-Disc-brake-specific-Lark-Hawk-wheels&highlight=Kelsey+wheels+1964+Studebaker

http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?93559-disk-brake-wheels&highlight=Studebaker+disk+brake+wheels

Bob-
That's not how I read the parts book. In the US, 1558828 was used on non-DB 63 cars, 1558827 on DB 63, and 1563413 on all 64, plus late 64 Canadian. In Canada, 1548804 was used on all 59-63, and early 64. I believe your earlier statement ("The 1963 disk cars had the bulge to clear the disk brake calipers. In 1964 all cars both disk brake and drum brakes used the same wheels. Studebaker redesigned the wheels in 1964 to be used on both the disk brake and drum brake cars.") is correct.

candbstudebakers
05-22-2017, 10:08 AM
You're right. I can't imagine how I had a standard wheel on my Wagonaire or even how I had such a wheel.

Paul your 2nd wheel looks to be Chrysler or Dodge they have that heavy center ring like yours does.

old fart
05-22-2017, 02:15 PM
Scott : Could you email me at not4u@nlis.ca I have a question to ask you about your cars .

Terry

scott.rodgers
05-22-2017, 03:41 PM
Terry,

Will Do.

rkapteyn
05-25-2017, 09:15 AM
Do the Avanti 5" wide rims in 1963 have the groove to clear the calipers?

2R2
05-25-2017, 05:13 PM
Do the Avanti 5" wide rims in 1963 have the groove to clear the calipers?

Yes Bob, my car rides on 5" wide Avanti Wheels, which is pictured in post #5.

StudeRich
05-27-2017, 02:23 AM
I think those of us who have been there, done that with dozens of Post war Studes. do know that ALL of the data in the posts above is pretty much well intended guesses. :(


You do NOT necessarily HAVE TO have the "Double Hump" wheels which by the way were ONLY used on 1964's, to clear your Disc Brakes. :ohmy:

I have said this MANY, Many times here before, but I do realize that everyone is not here at the correct time to see them all.

What you are looking at in the Photos of the "so called Disc Brake Wheel" is a '64 Kelsey Hayes (Div. of GM) type wheel, which does have SLIGHTLY more clearance in the rear than the '63 Budd Wheel, but do not forget that many original '63 Cars had Disc Brakes and Budd Wheels with nice looking smooth centers, not ugly double hump ones and cleared just fine. :rolleyes:

Most or ALL Canadian '65-'66 Disc Brake Cars have Budd Wheels, NOT Kelsey Hayes double hump wheels, and work just fine.

Are there SOME '59-'62 Budd wheels that LOOK exactly the same as '63 Budd wheels that DO clear, that do have too little rear clearance for Discs?
MAYBE, I do not know the clear answer to that one.

Below is a Original Silver '61 Lark 4 1/2 Inch X15 Budd Wheel that looks just like the '63 Disc Brake Budd wheels.
Are their rear offsets EXACTLY the same as a '63 non-Disc Wheel or even a '63 Budd Disc Wheel?

64454 (Click it, one or two times!)

The ONLY Stude. Wheels that I know for sure DO NOT clear Disc Brakes, are the '51 to '57, 5 Inch X15" wheels with the 3 Hub Cap Clip rectangular Holes.
These will turn about a 1/4 Turn and CRASH and lock Hard!

studefan
05-27-2017, 08:41 AM
Rich, maybe I am reading your second sentence wrong but the double hump wheels (shown in posts 2, 5, 7) were available in 1963 for the Lark/Hawk (4 1/2 in wide) and for the Avanti (5 in wide).

studegary
05-27-2017, 11:09 AM
Rich, maybe I am reading your second sentence wrong but the double hump wheels (shown in posts 2, 5, 7) were available in 1963 for the Lark/Hawk (4 1/2 in wide) and for the Avanti (5 in wide).

I agree with this. I have worked on many in the 1960s-1970s when they still had their original wheels. I also bought a 1963 Daytona Wagonaire with disc brakes from the original owner in about 1971 and it had the "double bump" wheels.

EDIT: I will add the quote (StudeRich) being discussed; "You do NOT necessarily HAVE TO have the "Double Hump" wheels which by the way were ONLY used on 1964's, to clear your Disc Brakes. "

StudeRich
05-28-2017, 03:50 AM
OK fine, the Kelsey Hayes Disc Brake wheels could have been on some '63's that I did not own, but the point is you do NOT need them for Disc Brakes, you can use some Budd Wheels, I am not sure about ALL Budd Wheels, the year probably does matter.

rkapteyn
05-28-2017, 09:01 AM
You can use the 1964 up wheels on all disk brake and non disk brake cars.
The double hump wheels were 1963 only.

scott.rodgers
05-28-2017, 09:45 AM
What is is the best/easiest way to identify 64 and up wheels?

StudeRich
05-28-2017, 01:37 PM
The Pictures here on Post # 2, 5 and 7 clearly show the unusual shape of the Center, the ridge or hump just outside of the the Hub Cap Bumps is the major way you identify a Kelsey Hayes later Disc style Studebaker 4 1/2 X 15 Wheel.

Most Studebakers have Budd Wheels like the much better looking '61 shown in Post #21, some years of these also fit the Factory '63-'66 Studebaker, Dunlop/Bendix Disc Brake Setup.

Note that they are NOT '64 and up, they are '64 and a few '63 ONLY.

jpepper
05-29-2017, 06:26 PM
To add a little more to the confusion, a service letter was issued in late 65 stating that all wheels going forward would be 5" wide. I gave the letter to Bob Palma

Green53
05-29-2017, 07:38 PM
Back in 1974 I bought 5 wheels in a junk yard off Ramblers. I don't remember what models they came off. They worked great on my Avanti for years. Later they were on my 64.Daytona convertible with disk brakes.

Denny L