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Retired
01-10-2008, 09:48 AM
I am considering doing an article for the Antique Studebaker Review on the 1942 Studebaker's that were built with painted or silver coated trim. They were commonley referred to as a "Black Out Model". SDC and ASC Members having such a vehicle are invited to submit (a) Model, i.e Champion, Commander, President or M-Series, (b) Serial Number (c) Body tag number (d) Color(s) (e) photograph (f) Your name, city and state. E-mail to LTCRP@netscape.com or to Richard Pianca, 2706 W. 37th St., Davenport, IA 52806. Telephone 563-391-4517 or cell 563-340-2871. My plans are to compile the information received and add to it information I have researced from the SNM Archives. My tenitive target date for compleation is October 2008.

Guido
01-10-2008, 06:13 PM
Richard,

Would this article also include trucks? Bill Tilghman on the Eastern Shore of Virginia restored the 1942 M-15 that was previously owned by Asa Hall. As a 1942, it was a blackout model. Bill is now in his early '80's and not connected to the Internet, but I can put you in touch with him. Having seen the truck in various stages of restoration, I can tell you that it is nice.

Gary

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
01-10-2008, 06:13 PM
Richard,

Would this article also include trucks? Bill Tilghman on the Eastern Shore of Virginia restored the 1942 M-15 that was previously owned by Asa Hall. As a 1942, it was a blackout model. Bill is now in his early '80's and not connected to the Internet, but I can put you in touch with him. Having seen the truck in various stages of restoration, I can tell you that it is nice.

Gary

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/62/562/2/21/69/2353221690097493054hwathP_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/60/460/3/91/1/2433391010097493054nAMBKh_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/24/565/2/49/65/2603249650097493054XvpTUI_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/64/564/6/89/77/2752689770097493054skXzAT_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/24/565/5/22/8/2609522080097493054ZNRJeA_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/69/169/4/66/56/2729466560097493054oBZsXT_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
01-10-2008, 06:15 PM
quote:Originally posted by curt

Did Studebaker make cars during the War?[?]
No, I think car production stopped in January 1942 and did not resume until the 1946 model year. However, they did receive authorization to produce a total of 4000 M-15 trucks in 1945. These were a hybrid model, as they retained the swing out windshield, top mounted wipers, metal door panels and metal glove box found on the US 6 trucks during the war.

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
01-10-2008, 06:15 PM
quote:Originally posted by curt

Did Studebaker make cars during the War?[?]
No, I think car production stopped in January 1942 and did not resume until the 1946 model year. However, they did receive authorization to produce a total of 4000 M-15 trucks in 1945. These were a hybrid model, as they retained the swing out windshield, top mounted wipers, metal door panels and metal glove box found on the US 6 trucks during the war.

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/62/562/2/21/69/2353221690097493054hwathP_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/60/460/3/91/1/2433391010097493054nAMBKh_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/24/565/2/49/65/2603249650097493054XvpTUI_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/64/564/6/89/77/2752689770097493054skXzAT_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/24/565/5/22/8/2609522080097493054ZNRJeA_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/69/169/4/66/56/2729466560097493054oBZsXT_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

curt
01-10-2008, 06:18 PM
Did Studebaker make cars during the War?[?] I remember that military trucks had 'black out lights' during the Viet Nam years.

curt
01-10-2008, 06:18 PM
Did Studebaker make cars during the War?[?] I remember that military trucks had 'black out lights' during the Viet Nam years.

bondobilly
01-10-2008, 07:33 PM
quote:Originally posted by Guido


quote:Originally posted by curt

Did Studebaker make cars during the War?[?]
However, they did receive authorization to produce a total of 4000 M-15 trucks in 1945. These were a hybrid model, as they retained the swing out windshield, top mounted wipers, metal door panels and metal glove box found on the US 6 trucks during the war.



I had one of them, still have the windshield, which I promised to MB if I can figure a method of getting it to him. Our's had four tires in the rear, huge wheels, and somebody said it might have had a two speed rear......whatever that was.

bondobilly
01-10-2008, 07:33 PM
quote:Originally posted by Guido


quote:Originally posted by curt

Did Studebaker make cars during the War?[?]
However, they did receive authorization to produce a total of 4000 M-15 trucks in 1945. These were a hybrid model, as they retained the swing out windshield, top mounted wipers, metal door panels and metal glove box found on the US 6 trucks during the war.



I had one of them, still have the windshield, which I promised to MB if I can figure a method of getting it to him. Our's had four tires in the rear, huge wheels, and somebody said it might have had a two speed rear......whatever that was.

Guido
01-10-2008, 09:25 PM
quote:Originally posted by bondobilly
Our's had four tires in the rear, huge wheels, and somebody said it might have had a two speed rear......whatever that was.
Bill,

The M-15 C-9 cabs were a ton ton truck (with the Champion engine) available in 2 configurations. The first was as a pickup on a 120" WB, the second as a cab and chassis unit on a 128" WB. The latter could be had with dual wheels, but the 2 speed rear was only an option on the M-16 (X code) and the M-17.

Gary

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
01-10-2008, 09:25 PM
quote:Originally posted by bondobilly
Our's had four tires in the rear, huge wheels, and somebody said it might have had a two speed rear......whatever that was.
Bill,

The M-15 C-9 cabs were a ton ton truck (with the Champion engine) available in 2 configurations. The first was as a pickup on a 120" WB, the second as a cab and chassis unit on a 128" WB. The latter could be had with dual wheels, but the 2 speed rear was only an option on the M-16 (X code) and the M-17.

Gary

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/62/562/2/21/69/2353221690097493054hwathP_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/60/460/3/91/1/2433391010097493054nAMBKh_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/24/565/2/49/65/2603249650097493054XvpTUI_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/64/564/6/89/77/2752689770097493054skXzAT_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/24/565/5/22/8/2609522080097493054ZNRJeA_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/69/169/4/66/56/2729466560097493054oBZsXT_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

bondobilly
01-10-2008, 11:02 PM
People who saw it, thought it was a C9, as it had a really small engine, and as far as I can remember there was no gizmo for the two speed rear.

bondobilly
01-10-2008, 11:02 PM
People who saw it, thought it was a C9, as it had a really small engine, and as far as I can remember there was no gizmo for the two speed rear.

Retired
01-11-2008, 12:12 PM
Gary, Yes, See Original Post. "Champion, Commander, President or M-Series. Have Bill send the information I ask for.

Retired
01-11-2008, 12:12 PM
Gary, Yes, See Original Post. "Champion, Commander, President or M-Series. Have Bill send the information I ask for.